asciilifeform: more like earfucking

asciilifeform: (for socket to happen, at least one of the ends had to know the other's, yes)

asciilifeform: without any intrinsic need for either side to say 'and here is my ip'

asciilifeform: once a tcp socket is opened, there is two-way communication.

asciilifeform: given how it lives in protocol, cannot really be removed. but still retarded.

asciilifeform: i don't see any 'win' from it

asciilifeform: nothing like this appears therein

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: study any other classical protocol (e.g., ftp)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1364 << here, i think, is your boojum

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1332 << l0l, stray turd

asciilifeform digs in the pile of shit

asciilifeform: iirc yes

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they will answer to the garbage

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: linked lines show where thing indeed shits out 'here is my ip' in-band

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.h#0363 << see also.

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1816 << and yes, it's retarded

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=addrMe << see also.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=addrLocalHost << where used.

asciilifeform: requiring folks to have reasonable nat-traversal arrangements would not be insane, i think

asciilifeform: just how ip works

asciilifeform: by virtue of my having connected

asciilifeform: say i connect to remote machine. it ought to know where i connected from

asciilifeform: btw am i the only one who thinks it to be utterly retarded that the protocol requires a node to know own external ip ?

asciilifeform: (for residential zones)

asciilifeform: also known as only supplier of reasonable net pipe in the entire region

asciilifeform tried

asciilifeform: 'verizon' fiber will not sell static in residential zone for any price.

asciilifeform: (this is minor annoyance where i live, my ip changes 1-2x/year)

asciilifeform: afaik no u.s. residential isp has any place to plug these in

asciilifeform: except gets gnarly with dynamic ip boxes

asciilifeform: logical place for it

asciilifeform: this, too, will have to find a new home

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: btw, irc is still in there for another reason: how node gets own external ipv4

asciilifeform: all else - small change, in comparison.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: compilator is ~the~ dependency

asciilifeform: somebody wanna go down into cellar and fetch a 2011 (or prior) gcc tarball, hash, sign ?

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: mno

asciilifeform: anyone tried 3.x ?

asciilifeform: why aren't we using a period gcc ?

asciilifeform: incidentally,

asciilifeform: mod6 et al: what order to try things in is up to you lot

asciilifeform: goodnight decimation

asciilifeform: decimation: i saw a number of gcc bugs

asciilifeform: mod6: not sure how you intend to build a dns-using thing with uclibc

asciilifeform: (at the moment, enemy controlling routing backbone can silently diddle virtually everything)

asciilifeform: gossipd is strictly necessary - if only for authenticable nodes

asciilifeform: because we are not running 'chinese restaurant'

asciilifeform: that somewhat flies in the face of the tradition of 'all in one pot'

asciilifeform: mod6: i am trying to set a kind of example for how one ought to do the patches

asciilifeform: (as explained on ml)

asciilifeform: mod6: i deliberately left that out

asciilifeform: but the gnarly piece of shit irc.cpp gotta go.

asciilifeform: if someone wants to extract seeds from that thing in real time, and forward them to therealbitcoin - that'd be grand

asciilifeform: i will repeat my observation that the irc seeder thing ~does not belong in the client~

asciilifeform: that's more or less it.

asciilifeform: channels #bitcoin00 through #bitcoin99 must exist or auto-create

asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is nothing nonstandard about lfnet

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: though for some odd reason the linked script joins #bitcoin rather than #bitcoinXX (where XX in {0, 99})

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu : i certainly had one

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha 10,001 folks wrote some version of this

asciilifeform hoses off chopping block

asciilifeform: if bitcoin-host is to host this

asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu is trying to say that jurov ought to break open the piggy and pony up

asciilifeform: i must now confess that i began this a while ago, but never had time to properly pursue.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: right now it is simply a very convenient spot to find pre-gavinization nodes

asciilifeform: which is why i'd kinda like to lose the irc thing eventually

asciilifeform: there is some gnarly string handling in there, and i quite suspect it is exploitable

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the irc module has begged to be fuzzed long ago

asciilifeform: and see if the libnss idiocy goes away quietly

asciilifeform: after satisfied with this patch, therealbitcoin folks ought to try the static build again

asciilifeform: ferphuxxsake read.

asciilifeform: who wants - go, read

asciilifeform: anyway no point in recounting the lines of the patch here

asciilifeform: and removes dns disable flag from args parser

asciilifeform: and also removes hardcoded hostname from irc.cpp

asciilifeform: also excises the cruft that was invoked when the latter was true

asciilifeform: not only.

asciilifeform: (1st 3 are rather simple)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: you now have homework. it being, to read & actually grok the sequence of 4 'dns thermonuke' patches. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and hence long-term rom-weaponizable.

asciilifeform: it is also one minor patch away from having all magic/hardcoded net addrs stripped away

asciilifeform: hence we need seeds

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually this is the only version that could conceivably function on uclibc/pogo

asciilifeform: irc is only in there because presently this is very easy means of discovering mostly-ungavinized nodes

asciilifeform: with config file

asciilifeform: but to use as we discussed

asciilifeform: irc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not meant to rely on rc

asciilifeform: but specifically of several affected pieces such as -addnode

asciilifeform: not simply 'does it fetch blocks' (it does)

asciilifeform: needs testing

asciilifeform: fully static build should now be theoretically possible.

asciilifeform: '(EXPERIMENTAL) Full DNS Thermonuke!'

asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000100.html

asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!

asciilifeform: aaaand...

asciilifeform: see for yourself. grep your tree, case-insensitively, for 'dns' and then for 'lookup'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the objective is total removal of dns such that static build becomes possible.