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asciilifeform: incl. bare z80
asciilifeform: it runs on whatever
asciilifeform: then turd firmly cemented in.
asciilifeform: (other than chuck moore. who did this, yes. but he is old, and not sure if his thing is even still made)
asciilifeform: wake me up when somebody bakes a turing-complete gadget with no winblows used ANYWHERE in the brain-to-silicon road
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: but just 'riff on old tune'
asciilifeform: ergo, did not design 'new processor'
asciilifeform: afaik those folks are arm licensees
asciilifeform: at least, once did
asciilifeform: (iterations)
asciilifeform: typically takes a dozen or more.
asciilifeform: afaik.
asciilifeform: 100% usg-controlled
asciilifeform: where your idiocies have the force of law
asciilifeform: and have crown franchise to do the whole schmuck-herding thing
asciilifeform: the apple model works if you're usg
asciilifeform: because if you actually sell the thing full-bore, you are now 'asking money for the sun'
asciilifeform: and copies. so you're stuck where you end up selling time on the machine, in somewhat circumscribed use cases
asciilifeform: and it can even come to where you have to lie, understate capability of product, even
asciilifeform: you get to an 'uncanny valley' effect where the better the thing works, the worse off you are, because 'not believable'
asciilifeform: it is just like the 'programmers' thread from hour ago
asciilifeform: back to the debug thing (because imho it is very educational) - it is very difficult to sell something which actually solves a problem, on account of the whole meatwot thing
asciilifeform: what difference if usg, or chinese emperor
asciilifeform: why would i care ~which~ thief steals everything from me ?
asciilifeform: see and i didn't even need to watch it
asciilifeform: then - poof.
asciilifeform: wait till somebody finds something worth stealing
asciilifeform: l0l what do they get? tax break ?
asciilifeform: a bit oversimplified description, but yes, we make this.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: and guess what.
asciilifeform: ...and guess what..
asciilifeform: this did not annoy folks as much as it should have because until recently (linux ver. is new) everyone ran it on a designated turdbox with the other wincrap
asciilifeform: as in arbitrary code exec as result of crafted sample
asciilifeform: *exploitable
asciilifeform: phun phakt: ~explotable~ crashes have been discovered in (some versions of) ida.
asciilifeform: afaik no one has ever bothered (why?)
asciilifeform: to really deal with this, would have to obtain a number of builds, and unravel the scheme
asciilifeform: vendor knows for whom the build (with particular order of static linked internals, etc) was built
asciilifeform: thing is, it's attributed whether it displays your name or not
asciilifeform: didn't say they buy one for each man!
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: decimation: understand, every 'legit' corp. on the planet which employs reverse-engineers, incl. the arms of usg, buys ida.
asciilifeform: to which there is no realistic alternative
asciilifeform: terrible, monumentally stinking cpp turd
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'ida' is a beast quite like 'bitcoind'
asciilifeform doesn't know the chap personally, can't help find him
asciilifeform: maybe
asciilifeform: mats: 'got hacked' gets same treatment as 'leaked deliberately'
asciilifeform: to buy a copy
asciilifeform: the folks who own it now are profoundly aware of their position. you pretty much have to beg repeatedly to so much as be given an address to which to mail the cheque
asciilifeform: now sits in belgium, angry
asciilifeform: but iirc he sold the firm years ago
asciilifeform: ask'im
asciilifeform: ilfak guilfanov. ☟︎
asciilifeform: who 'leaks' - is damned publicly and never dealt with again, has to buy support via shills
asciilifeform: why? story is: irfan guilfanov builds custom copy for each buyer.
asciilifeform: reasonably recent ida (having, e.g., 'hexray' plugin, more or less mandatory, and support for weird cpus, etc) is notoriously scarce on warez
asciilifeform: mats: if you have the stomach !
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: decimation: whatddayaknow, there is emulator.
asciilifeform: the two of them.
asciilifeform: that's pretty much it.
asciilifeform: possibly 'mpex'
asciilifeform: mats: ida is a total monopoly on the kind of thing that it is, bar none. i don't know of any other product category anywhere in modern industry where there is ~ONE~ thing
asciilifeform: must be confusing it with somethig else?
asciilifeform: mno. doesn't emulate anything
asciilifeform: decimation: valgrind is not a debugger
asciilifeform: it speaks 100% compliant gdb wire protocol
asciilifeform: yes, ida.
asciilifeform: mats: my favourite graphical skin on gdb is... ida.
asciilifeform: at least in one form or another
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gdb is what the entire free world uses
asciilifeform: to whatever breakpoint
asciilifeform: mats: what's wrong with rewinding by running proggy again
asciilifeform: mats: what, precisely, do you need reverse-gear for ?
asciilifeform: decimation: the folks who have 'must work' as hard requirement still prefer the whole 'spend ten years with magnifying glass' to 'rethink computing'
asciilifeform: the notion that any kind of animal is even possible other than rat, is held to be a lunatic fringe thing
asciilifeform: who pretend to 'write software'
asciilifeform: but if only this. since then, an entire class of vermin sprang up
asciilifeform: yes, they exempted software 'industry' from ~all~ consumer liability laws in '80s.
asciilifeform: decimation: but only proximately.
asciilifeform: decimation: naturally
asciilifeform: for same reason, e.g., microshit isn't
asciilifeform: so far, they ain't buying.
asciilifeform: (who pays?)
asciilifeform: and then it turns out to be usg-authored, and then what
asciilifeform: because when you ~find~ strange, now you have to properly reverse it, document...
asciilifeform: not many ~want~ to find
asciilifeform: they just want to collect the bezzle
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, we discovered that not many folks are really eager to 'make headway against malware'
asciilifeform: i built it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it does.
asciilifeform: and guess what.
asciilifeform: believe or not.
asciilifeform: decimation: i actually work for a firm which builds computers solely for this purpose
asciilifeform: decimation: of course they are specially designated physical boxes.
asciilifeform: decimation: aha
asciilifeform: so in effect i am 'paid to touch it'