asciilifeform: depends on who got to crap in mine, doesnit.

asciilifeform: whose ?

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180504 << still need it, to, e.g., keep lusers from taking shits into the mempool ☝︎

asciilifeform: 214873.

asciilifeform bbl, playing with pet

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: what kind of grass mircea_popescu cuts in his flat, lol

asciilifeform: ^ the most likely picture

asciilifeform: of course, plain old reroute for snorting with derelict infrastructure would have similar 'molasses' effect..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if enemy action indeed rather than the net being a ruinous ball of yarn - they were probably fuzzing for various protocol boojums

asciilifeform: decimation: or if you meant some oddball 'embrace & extend' of the sync protocol - yeah, we'll probably get there eventually

asciilifeform: decimation: that's plain old -connect

asciilifeform: or say i wanna permit inbounds from lusers but never getblocks() from them

asciilifeform: say i wanna cycle between mircea_popescu's 3 boxen

asciilifeform: where 1) can -connect to *multiple* boxes 2) does not as result wall off from inbound connections

asciilifeform: other thing, that will have to be added, imho, asap, is a non-retarded version of 'connect'

asciilifeform: really shouldn't be hard. when commanded, will piss out ascii text with block # <<>> hash

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's been in my head for a while now.

asciilifeform: 209209.

asciilifeform: plenty of outright disconnects, too

asciilifeform: thing is still running in (short) bursts, as before.

asciilifeform: mats: l0l, a new 'the onion'

asciilifeform: have been watching it, on and off, since started

asciilifeform: i have the thing scrolling on own display

asciilifeform: on account of there being no intelligence whatsoever in the sync code

asciilifeform: e.g., mircea_popescu's box craps out as many bastards as anyone's

asciilifeform: 'few bastards' is not a criterion while we're using the classical sync mechanism;

asciilifeform: and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand ☟︎

asciilifeform: for all i know, i'm syncing from a stooge box planted only a few miles away at my isp

asciilifeform: right now, as i said, no one has any idea who he is talking to

asciilifeform: (gossip)

asciilifeform: that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable ☟︎

asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, there is no intelligence in it beyond the misbehave... crap

asciilifeform: which behaviour

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: i'm still hoping that i overlooked something, and that it can be disabled via civilized means

asciilifeform: was quite open about it.

asciilifeform: that fucker is responsible

asciilifeform: see the drepper link earlier today

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is coming via glibc

asciilifeform: but would rather not come to this

asciilifeform: if i have to write an elf diddler to yank it out of the binary, i will

asciilifeform: so far, all i learned is that it can - supposedly - be disabled during glibc build config. but this is not what i want

asciilifeform: *heroic

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you wanna perform a heroid deed, find out how to nuke gconv

asciilifeform: which is why i said 'we need mechanism...' rather than 'hey mircea_popescu, hash those db turds and send me back via pgp wontcha'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you know full well that it won't

asciilifeform: can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this ☟︎

asciilifeform: hence why we need a mechanism to actually checksum the blocks and dump it to a man-readable form

asciilifeform: precisely

asciilifeform: by hashing and sending pgpgram...

asciilifeform: whether he and i have same ?

asciilifeform: tell what ?

asciilifeform is not ~at all~ certain that he is actually pulling from mircea_popescu's box, rather than a preet's

asciilifeform is coming to think that we will be needing a mechanism for out-of-band (hashes, pgp) comparison of blockchains

asciilifeform: 208002...

asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo in your gardening, have you ever used a 19th c.-style muscle-powered grass cutter? i did today, and noticed that it is actually less exhausting than petrol-powered variety on account of my not breathing CO from tailpipe

asciilifeform: sentence doesn't need an object, why'd ya want that, aha

asciilifeform loves the open-ended 'failed' used in the english language

asciilifeform: !up bitcoinfailed

asciilifeform: '...The exchange sheds further light on the latest work carried out by large technology firms in the field of artificial intelligence, a booming field...' << apparently today is still 1966, weizenbaum's 'eliza' is 'latest work'

asciilifeform: how has he not spoken out (or eaten his pistol...) yet ?

asciilifeform: the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column

asciilifeform: that thing is a ready, lubricated orifice for slithering vermin

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180185 << my build cannot be considered battlefield-ready in this sense until the gconv thing is burned out with hot irons ☝︎

asciilifeform: linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers.

asciilifeform: poettering et al are small change in comparison

asciilifeform: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00051.html << moar of same

asciilifeform: go and strace the thing and yes, it snarfs up this perfectly-irrelevant turd from disk

asciilifeform: it ~has~ to go

asciilifeform: (re: the gconv thing. i've been bashing my head against the conundrum of how to tear out that idiocy from my static build)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^

asciilifeform: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00049.html << drepper!

asciilifeform: in particular, 'in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it.'

asciilifeform: see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3088289335876823@naggum.no.html

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180335 << pretty much what naggum said: the language and its ecosystem encourages this kind of mental decay - and selects for the susceptible in the first place ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 << cpp programmers in particular have no notion of hygiene. and the more experienced, the less of a notion they have, as a rule

asciilifeform: they have better pyrotechnics too.

asciilifeform: if i wanted to sit in the sun and dig latrines i could do it for free in .mil

asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal

asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l

asciilifeform: 'BLM Special Agent Dan Love of Salt Lake City was cited multiple times as the person behind many of the BLM requests, according to the emails. Love will have a personal bathroom trailer to be shared with only one other official, according to documents. Love also led the BLM operation against Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy that ended in a standoff with Bundy's armed supporters. He did not return requests for comment this week.'

asciilifeform: and it still runs in 'bursts.'

asciilifeform: traceroute looks same today as last night.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sync from your node (or from hitler's mitm node...!) is at 193600+ and counting

asciilifeform bbl.

asciilifeform: it's about 1994 here in this room

asciilifeform: posting from them right now, l0l

asciilifeform: i'm still in the 90s

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: cost of setting up diddler

asciilifeform: yeah, that this.

asciilifeform: because literate folks, heard of 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc

asciilifeform: do this at a serious dc and you have half a dozen 'bofhs' going postal

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180198 << can't entirely agree here. every so often folks discover carriers diddling 'consumer' traffic in obscene ways (adding tracking crud to http, even) having gone by for years at a time with not a squeak from the chumps ☝︎

asciilifeform: but of necessity many of the boxes involved in the ramp-up will be pc.

asciilifeform: unquestionably the whole 'p2p' thing is the right and proper objective

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: (it'll have to swap.)