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decimation: the annoying thing to me (growing up on a -48) was that the 16 only displayed one stack element at a time
asciilifeform: its very existence presumes that people program on paper, far from a computer
asciilifeform: can then buy a crate full of ti
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo had a ti-89 ?
undata predicts there will just be drivers that establish one part of ram as a ramdisk
PeterL: "In particular, the company needs to perfect a new form of computer memory based on an electronic component called a memristor" << so, they just need to figure out how to make the core feature work, then they are all set!
asciilifeform: decimation: not hybrid, if their literature is to be believed, but rather a 'flash' fast and durable enough to substitute for dram entirely
BingoBoingo would like to rip all of the memory out of "The Machine" and air drop it to asciilifeform in 2010 with a duffelbag full of money
assbot: HP Will Release a “Revolutionary” New Operating System in 2015 | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1C66GRJ )
undata: hm, HP claims it has a memristor computer incoming http://www.technologyreview.com/news/533066/hp-will-release-a-revolutionary-new-operating-system-in-2015/
asciilifeform: decimation: i'll take mr spam's word re: him having been paid to vandalize #b-a rather than -otc
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't picture forgoing a cockroach repellent simply because it may move the roaches to your neighbour
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this would not require nanotube making any change to gribble, but would add an annoying extra step of having to auth a second time for rating
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: folks suggested assbot having a synchronized copy of gribble's wot
decimation: or usb stick in a box
decimation: a high-end fgpa would be perfectly capable of passing full pipe of signed packets
asciilifeform: decimation: you're entirely correct that this will eventually be a thing, though. hence the need for stateless, single-packet auth hellos.
decimation: what if mr. spam learns the ip of a friend?
asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed, but it might be impractical. consider a 'firewall' that is checking mr spam's packets all day
PeterL: (or just send a signed rating message once that gets implemented)
PeterL: auth to assbot in a pm, that gives you voice?
decimation: a moderator?
decimation: ah, but then assbot would need a 'hot key'
asciilifeform: if pasting a signed ephemeral message, no need
nanotube: use pastebin to pass a signed message to the bot. assbot can just grab the user database on a regular basis to keep current.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the correct way to use it would be to have a proggy emulate an irc server and connect ordinary client to it
decimation: but at least it would be a step in the right direction
decimation: why not have assbot (or a slave bot) simply pm everyone a copy of signed messages?
PeterL: nanotube: I don't think the change I am suggesting would require any change of gribble, just adding a separate auth to assbot
asciilifeform: nanotube: let's look from another angle. right now, noobs are virtually banned from #b-a. but the ban is enforced by a hooligan, not by any of us
nanotube: and then waiting for a while
PeterL: would we need to pm assbot to get a challenge to decrypt, or could it be something like we just send assbot the signature of "auth <wot name> <current time>"?
asciilifeform: they read kakobrekla's www log, see who to pm, make a brief case for being invited
nanotube: asciilifeform: hrm... that's a tough problem. how?
nanotube: PeterL: oh well, i guess auth can stay for that purpose. or you can just send a signed message to assbot directly, in theory.
asciilifeform: nanotube: we were contemplating ways to expel the ddos idler from the channel in a permanent and generic way.
PeterL: that helps with ratings, but does not help the current voicing model of #b-a
nanotube: asciilifeform: i'm hoping for a gradual transition, as people upgrade their ratings with signed packets. after a sunset period, all unsigned ratings may be ignored
nanotube: PeterL: you'll say "rate dude 1 signature". why even a separate 'auth' step?
asciilifeform: nanotube: incidentally, what is to become of the present wot when a hypothetical 'everything is signed' wot is built ?
nanotube: asciilifeform: well, more like an anti "guy leaves, some other guy comes in on same ip, and gribble has no way of knowing about it, unless they share a channel and gribble can see quits"
nanotube: it is being worked on. but have a lot of other stuff on my plate. once everything is signed, there will not even be a need for something like "auth".
PeterL: so the question for you: would it be possible to let people auth without being in a chan with gribble?
asciilifeform: from a pre-cryptographic dark age
asciilifeform: ultimately the very need for 'cloaks' is a bizarre misfeature
asciilifeform: the channels-shared-by-gribble thing also means that ddos idler bot, if expelled from #b-a, can move to one of the other channels.
asciilifeform: there was also a mass compromise of freenode boxes in sept. and who knows when else, and on what scale.
undata: no idea why, but it left me without my cloak for a bit, as freenode wouldn't let me change nicks
nanotube: well, that's a reason for people here to be cloaked. i remember hearing about that
asciilifeform: nanotube: it points a ddosnet consisting of ntp and ssdp 'amplification' bots (misconfigured routers, typically) at the victim.
asciilifeform: nanotube: there is a ddos artist paid (apparently) to carry out an endless quest to interfere with #b-a and related projects. presently he has an idler parked here.
decimation: nanotube: there's a ddoser who spams anyone who joins #bitcoin-assets with a 'naked' ip with an ntp amplification attack
nanotube: asciilifeform: it's a way to track a person by hostmask, to provide persistent auth sessions. once we move to 'everything must be signed' there would be no need for auth sessions, and thus no need for people to be in particular channels shared with gribble.
kakobrekla: well a diddled anything can anything
asciilifeform: a diddle gribble - same
kakobrekla: i go through it a few times a year but for that reason particularly
BingoBoingo: #b-a irc net seems the only long term solution
asciilifeform: or, at best, to mircea's suggestion of building a dedicated #b-a irc net.
asciilifeform: unless you move the whole thing to a dedicated box with own irc. but then you advertise its ip in public
asciilifeform: PeterL: simply define a canonical wot as consisting of gpg-signed 'rate' commands
asciilifeform: nanotube's wot works, afaik, thus far, but a good chunk of it still lives in the old pre-cryptographic universe
PeterL: decimation: there are a bunch of -1s which offset +1s
kakobrekla: and keeps a seperate l2 records
PeterL: have a #bitcoin-assets WoT separate from #bitcoin-otc?
PeterL: it's strange, you must be in chan, but you can auth in a pm, so why be in the chan?
asciilifeform: (i'd love to hear a rationale for it)
mike_c: kako is too easily swayed by a cookie or two.
PeterL: but really, you can learn alot more going over a few months of logs than trying to get lucky by finding something interesting happening right now at this moment
mike_c: by hitting f5 on log.b-a?
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: you are a hypocrite, nothing more
asciilifeform: what a sad thing that they did not die.
mike_c: ok, I am a reporter for NYT, I have to do same dance?
BingoBoingo: ^ Ah, case for keeping a vegetable garden element
undata_: heh I am totally making a bitcoin overlay as a weekend project btw
kakobrekla: a ok
kakobrekla: afaik it is suppose to be a securitah feature and i dunno where nano stands on that.
BingoBoingo: Seems hsitorically this was a "Sundown Town"
BingoBoingo remembers for the longest time in childhood the hometown having a metal wagon wheel fascimile supported on a post in the town square
BingoBoingo: I think having had a GPG key fingerprint on an MPEx listed contract is the rough equivalent of a commision so asciilifeform at the worst you are probaby a captain by now.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: imho it will produce more interesting noobs - a challenge piques interest, selects for folks who aren't vegetables
asciilifeform: i'm not sure whether the fact of something being planted in an 'eyes' country or not is even interesting. it's like the old saw about how a smoking section in a restaurant is quite like a pissing section in swimming pool.
undata_: hosted in a five-eyes country might be another :p
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there are ideas. If a new network popped up parachute would be likely. Seems though that the root of current problem is freenode baring IPs and lacking any controling entity that could be convinced to do otherwise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but if you want to contribute a box or two for a 'parachute' network for #b-a, don't let this stop you
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we're discussing perhaps a ~1kb patch to kako's bot, rather than a serious project
kakobrekla: a you mean like down is +kb
kakobrekla: well you manually invite a 'new guy' take the chance it doesnt work out, you need some means to get rid of it?
asciilifeform: but this is not a published gadget, and should not be regarded as proof - or even suggestion - of anything in particular.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you give a damn, it was called - on my own machine, which at present, is the only place it exists - 'kapelle'
asciilifeform: n00b should be expected to say at least a complete sentence re: why he should be let in to talk
asciilifeform: decimation: it has a name.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: too much work << wouldn't it be approximately a one-liner? add to +i list upon voicing by assbot, remove when logged off / devoiced ?
asciilifeform: decimation: i personally had cloak fail from a malfunctioning (hacked?) freenode node.
kakobrekla: which was also responsible for a bunch of cloak fails
decimation: it's not really a ban, it's more of a bouncer
asciilifeform: decimation: that, or to make a good introduction of himself.
decimation: yeah, it's a good point
assbot: 10 results for 'the cold equations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+cold+equations
decimation: asciilifeform: but this only works if one regards a n00b with utter contempt