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moriarty: decimation, when i was studying and eventually doing research in AI, we got to use anything we like
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can readily see a us religious nut sponsor for that.
moriarty: xmj, but freenode is one of those serendipituous occurence that i think is essential to homeschooling
decimation: asciilifeform: one day I hope to find a modern 'ai researcher' who admits to have tried programming in lisp
xmj: i've always been better at learning things on my own.
moriarty: i think it was great that PayPal has made that clan of people rich, a lot of good things have come out from the founders of PayPal
xmj: you know, i'm all for ungraduating.
moriarty: i admire and despise Thiel all at once
asciilifeform: i'll be impressed when they build something - anything.
moriarty: i honestly believe that under different circumstances, these individuals would have made real progress in society
moriarty: i am sincerely impressed by the attempts they have made without formal education
moriarty: at least formally i have worked in the field of AI and have come across lesswrong in my past
xmj: i've been in #lesswrong for months
moriarty: i am into artificial intelligence
asciilifeform: in order to understand lw, must admit that mr y had talent. i, for instance, used to enjoy his expository writing. until realized that it is 100% recycled philosophy spiced up for 'reddit' crowd.
moriarty: if i were feeling benevolent, i should actually sponsor some of them for formal education :) but then neuroscience has something to say about how intellect not developed before a certain age would have the door closed on them at some point
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2014 02:07:49; asciilifeform: (lw is another reddit clone that makes hn, etc. look sane. inhabited by folks terrified of robo-apocalypse. i was drummed out of lw as a 'future genocidal criminal' for... considering resurrecting doug lenat's 'eurisko.')
moriarty: xmj, so if you have the street smarts to not trust used-car dealers, i hope you do the same for the government or powers that be
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lesswrong << i was de-facto banished there.
xmj: moriarty: oh i know I can.
moriarty: xmj, what i'm saying is, it's impossible to legislate every aspect of society to make it as idiotproof as possible
xmj: moriarty: i'm completely retarded, didn't you notice.
moriarty: xmj, but i guess i shouldn't sound so condescending, when i am attempting some candor
xmj: no, i mean, they're incentivized to stay down
decimation: one could do worse I think
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i assume ironic humour, rather than any attempt to negate oneself ;)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i was just being euphemistic :P
moriarty: mircea_popescu, all i'm saying is, once you understand women to be a bag of emotions, rather than logical creatures, their motivations, what it takes to motivate them, becomes plain as day
mircea_popescu: bounce i guess not.
moriarty: decimation, well, unfortunately as someone who is partial to the ancap way of looking at things, i don't identify with the reframing of couch-sitters as slaves of the state, i see them as enslaving the state though
mircea_popescu: so i sit there and it's like... eating grass.
mircea_popescu: it's incredible how broken other irc channels seem to me. "where's the logs ?" "we don't have logs because reasons and we're primitive idiots" "so i guess i don't even need to ask about gribble or wot then huh."
moriarty: xmj, it elevates my status if i have arm candy
moriarty: xmj, what i mean is this - females are very articulate in dealmaking, and there is almost no deal in which they conduct themselves, socially or otherwise, that would leave them worse off than before
xmj: that IS something i've empirically been able to validate
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol i would need to trade bitcoin in order to get a wot acct, right?
moriarty: xmj, that's quintessentially the female response to the common masculine argument of cockteasers; rephrasing it, it's not that i'm not putting out enough, you're just not good enough
mircea_popescu: dude get out, i understand women just fine.
xmj: i've become better at screening
moriarty: i've long given up on that pursuit, so whenever a woman argues, i just empathise with her and agree with her
xmj: I totally agree with this sentence.
xmj: What I hate are meaningless and heartless one-night stands where you tell all sorts of lies to get into bed with a woman you don't care for.
moriarty: i know, but that's what they are :)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've been told by a woman that women exist on a plane different to men
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i like your take
moriarty: xmj, i didn't read it back in 2004, i found it recently when i was hyperlinking around :)
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://i.imgur.com/UkRnes7.jpg
assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <moriarty> xmj, from the beta's point of view, sure; from the elites running society, marriage is a way to preoccupy the have-nots so the haves can sow their wild oats around while the working class struggle to make themselves marriage-worthy in the meantime << so now you also gotta read http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/
decimation: on the pain of offending the almighty future-ai-god, I claim that he won't exist
assbot: Lesswrong is a weird place. I can read an awesome, insightful article one moment... | Hacker News
mircea_popescu: moriarty i have my doubts about that model, but anyway.
danielpbarron: most of the ancaps I encounter seem to lean more towards the socialist side than they'd like to admit -- what with all their "fairness for all" mantra, as if unrestrained capitalism won't deal a crushing blow to the dregs of society
moriarty: xmj, i agree, intelligence, beauty, the things that ultimately lead us to do what we want to do through meaningful employment, have lots of meaningless sex with as many beautiful people as possible
mircea_popescu: they're not proclivities, i wrote the damned book :D
xmj: I <3 nipples.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i can see your proclivities towards the ancap notions
moriarty: not that i'm griping about connections and such :P the way i see it, we inherit genes as we do connections
moriarty: anyway, i think education is one of the nice ways the elites of society has deceived the havenots :) i think xmj earlier pointed out about how the 51% would overthrow the 49%
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell TomServo has arrived. I can meet today (9/20) or tomorrow (9/21). Otherwise it's going to be a couple weeks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i wish they kiled idiots so then they'd be real cheap and i could get them all"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well i was more reflexive in my wishes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up...
moriarty: mircea_popescu, that's a good point, i like singapore's system too
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i guess in a way you could say singapore is being "kinder" by telling you upfront that if you take that course, your employment chances will be fucked, so let's help make this idiot-proof as possible by barring you from choosing that road
moriarty: i imagine singaporeans must be accustomed to not getting their way at anything
moriarty: that would be painful, or not since i'm looking at it from a western point of view :)
moriarty: i see
mircea_popescu: nol but the free education thing i can see. if you're going to teach everyone the same thing (language) might as well do it for free. your show, your tickets.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, inefficient, i know, but hey some countries do it
moriarty: mircea_popescu, of course this ideal is currently impeded by what i consider to be a gross infraction on one of the basic human rights, that is the freedom of movement across borders, one trivialised by border control and such
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i see countries as clubs, that if you do not like the constitution or culture, then you are welcome to join something more to your inclination
mircea_popescu: i nearly fainted.
mircea_popescu: so i go to #electronics to see if either asciilifeform or diametric hang in there. they have a bot, i do !help, it says
xmj: i take /that one/ binary
moriarty: xmj, i don't take it too literally, anything taken in its pure definition does not exist in reality, there are no socialist or capitalist society today
moriarty: xmj, the way i see it, you like a country's constitution, join it, no? then emigrate :)
mircea_popescu: so what, stick to the fleshlight and egg custard crowd over on austrians ? i guess can do that, sure.
sardan_: I mean too low
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've done a sybil on localbitcoins though :) just so i don't get pinned down as the guy with shitloads of bitcoin
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've fully liquidated my bitcoin position, so i guess no motivation for me to join WoT now
moriarty: xmj, no, i don't tend to look at myself dichotomously, i'm an assembly of aspects from both sides of the political and socioeconomical spectrum, left and right as they conveniently classify it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i know, but it was for his benefit. give the man a chance to redeem himself.
moriarty: xmj, well black swan for starters has its roots in the classical Humean dilemma :) (i've referenced him because i know mircea_popescu would like it)
mircea_popescu: whatevers. i replied and that's that.
kakobrekla: nfi i think he emailed to too now
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this email, wtf is it ? i do not comprehend, what ?
pete_dushenski: lol and cad is even worse, i think 4% paper vs. 11% for usd
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not the same pressures. i meant usg specifically.
mircea_popescu: and recently i have been giving them away for free, so.
sardan_: I sent you an email by the way, not sure if you received it (regarding a domain)
mircea_popescu: i can't read him, it's like going to a museum of children "artwork"
moriarty: mircea_popescu, finance or economics, is closely linked to the political nuances of a country, so whenever one reads journals by personalities like Paul Krugman, nobelist though he may be, i always read it keeping in mind his political proclivities
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is true to a lesser degree in statistics.
moriarty: plus i've been unduely influenced by the work of Sokal, Bricmont, i.e. Fashionable Nonsense
xmj: bingo so am i
moriarty: but i'm an armchair philosopher so what do i know :)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've read works by Lacan and such, and i feel almost as if i have to delve into some metaphysical reality, and not take them at their analogies seriously, especially when they try to use precise notions from mathematics to attempt to build some sort of bridge to their reality
mircea_popescu: i can be well spared the "conversation" of pointless academics trying to publish or perish. not worth following.
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i guess i can see why from a philosophical sense, if one has inclinations towards the literal and the objective