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mircea_popescu: and i want to accomplish this by replacing quicksort.package with bubblesort.package
mircea_popescu: however, that's not the point. suppose i want my machine to always use bubblesort. everywhere
mircea_popescu: i guess, but originally i got very pissed off at ubuntu becaus you can't make a non-networking ubuntu machine without rewriting it all, instead of simply uninstalling netowrking.
asciilifeform: see, precisely my point - i say 'airplane' and -everybody- assumes i mean 'gadget that flies 2 metres above ground for ten minutes if wind is blowing east'
mircea_popescu: i sometimes wonder how computing would work if linux weren't built on "packages" as implemented, but on actual functions
decimation: yeah I get your point
asciilifeform: i don't mean a specially-instrumented crippled proggy running for the occasion
asciilifeform: this is how we got these things that we call 'computer' even though i can't flip a switch that stops all cpus and shows me all the places 'quicksort' is mentioned on the machine and which ones got invoked in the last 7 days.
mircea_popescu: i would suggest the volume in and of itself is proof they say nothing.
ben_vulpes: alternatively, i know i know naught
ben_vulpes: i know not what i know not
decimation: the next step is to become a hermit in the taiga I guess
mircea_popescu: "The site is owned by the most annoying, donkey riding arsehole involved with bitcoin." "Unlike all the others, owned by nice people that ran off with your coins." "I wish that arsehole would run off with all the coins if it meant never hearing from him again."
mircea_popescu: this is what i meant, obliquely. if you allow the "community" of screaming monkeys to decide whether you are antisocial type 1 or 2, you're giving them too much power.
mircea_popescu: i can't read locklin without him annoying me. such a total schmoozeball.
mircea_popescu: i choose not to witness.
mircea_popescu: trilema is really non-js friendly so i guess it prolly has more nonjs readers than average interwebs
mircea_popescu: well i guess if they have silent (non js, non url-forwarding etc) browsers it could be from anywhere
mircea_popescu: decimation i'd see it as search not as direct. meanwhile search incoming is dominated by keywords like "true"
decimation: I see it in the cards
decimation: last I read in the newspapers, Germany is pretty much on Russia's side
mircea_popescu: o, i see :D
moriarty: i don't know
moriarty: so i bet on scotland outcome
decimation: I think they recently retired their 'aircraft carrier'
mircea_popescu: which is why i expected landslide independence rly.
decimation: I suspect a big voting bloc were welfare recipients who feared the sudden lack of welfare bezzlars
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i'm misinformed, scotland runs deep in the red.
mircea_popescu: or maybe i don't well understand the structures of incentive, not living there
mircea_popescu: i still dunno wtf they did to make such a wide margin happen.
mircea_popescu: i really was expecting independence
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you he doesn't.
decimation: I suspect the American Caesar walks the earth somewhere
decimation: when I was younger, I wanted to explore the infinite potential
moriarty: most people i know who like coding actually mistake their liking for solving puzzles, for liking coding
moriarty: asciilifeform, yeah i think nobody likes coding for the sake of coding
decimation: I think it has been mooted here that the reason why the early (1800's) us worked for awhile is because of the memories of law&order beaten into the parents & grandparents of those living here
asciilifeform: decimation: nope. but i do solve problems for bezzlars
decimation: I'm only a zek
decimation: I work, to eat
decimation: mircea_popescu: sounds legit, I'll try to adopt that nomenclature
asciilifeform: if you made actual map - i dare say most of it would be painted soviet, chinese, hell knows who else
decimation: I should have said "post Renaissance"
decimation: I guess 'middle ages' was poorly worded
mircea_popescu: o hey, trilema is not on the "dark enlightenment" map w/e that is. i guess im cool like that!
decimation: I suspect few recognize the irony of turning away from traditional worship of Jahweh to worship some hobo
asciilifeform: there's ~1000+ of these, i won't link to them all, not everyone is a zoologist of crackpots
moriarty: maybe i should do some good with my bitcoin winnings, and put some of those intelligent folks through school
decimation: yeah I guess there's this fantasy that he can personally steer research toward non-angry-ai-god ai
xmj: i'm missing vdare on this picture
asciilifeform: decimation: may have posted, but i forget where and when
decimation: asciilifeform: did you post those lenat papers somewhere? I have a reasonably fast digitizer if you lack
xmj: moriarty: i wanted to look up the map of the neoreactionary blogosphere for you, sec
mircea_popescu: well, i didn't mean b-a-hood in the "it's sensible and it works" sense, i mearly meant it in the "rule the wrold" sense.
moriarty: xmj, no, i wrote that
jurov: Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky This is a road that does not lead to Friendly AI, only to AGI. I doubt this has anything to do with Lenat's motives - but I'm glad the source code isn't published and I don't think you'd be doing a service to the human species by trying to reimplement it.
moriarty: but i guess once a system is put in place, resistance would act against any attempts to better the status quo
mircea_popescu: i suspect the azns may have some extant
moriarty: mircea_popescu, yeah i don't care too much for academia, when i've realised the amount of crap coming from most institutions
mircea_popescu: this is where i
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-irc-world-is-a-big-but-very-flat-place/ << if anyone feels like arguing the ethics/moral question, i'm all ears.
moriarty: asciilifeform, i'm surprised Clojure is still popular
asciilifeform: (re: smbx) must say that some things absolutely must be experienced to be understood. i went to considerable lengths to actually obtain the machine before i dared to write about it at any great length.
moriarty: that's what i did when i tried to profit off bitcoin
moriarty: asciilifeform, a lot of the bugs arise typically not from the main objectives by the side-work in getting simple I/O right, etc, a lot of which can really be templated
xmj: asciilifeform: meh, i prefer gaming bigger systems
moriarty: asciilifeform, i see the points made there, make it high level enough that you don't need to get bogged down by the side-work in the midst of pursuing your main objectives
daybyter: http://i.imgur.com/kjl1VC2.png
daybyter: I want to create a framework to build on.
daybyter: I'm working on simple arb stuff and such.
moriarty: daybyter, and of course i assume a full-fledged basic mathematical suite to support doing whatever i want to the model
moriarty: daybyter, i'm thinking in terms of interest rates, manufacturing activity, GDP delta, CPI, retail sales, etc
daybyter: I actually never trading ema crossing, or so.
moriarty: daybyter, interesting, i was thinking of perhaps less specific but at the same time more atomic than simple moving averages
daybyter: I think I could use jscheme, too.
daybyter: I tried drools.
moriarty: just for fun because i was bored out of my mind
moriarty: daybyter, yes i have tried doing so
moriarty: and i must say that the beauty of functional languages is that you get to attain that rare accomplishment of writing a bug-free code in the first round
moriarty: i quite enjoyed and loathed functional programming whether it was in Lisp/Prolog etc
moriarty: i've used Lisp and like it as well
moriarty: i'm not for Prolog, so it doesn't matter to me
moriarty: Prolog is homoiconic so i see your point
moriarty: i see copumpkin on here, he's also into AI :)
asciilifeform: moriarty: don't misunderstand, i was never a professional academic.
moriarty: i recognise some AI practitioners on here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems a weak reason tbh. i mean, there are good lisp implementations today, or not ?
moriarty: xmj, sure, i see your point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess ima publish, save myself the effort next time i feel inclined to explore teh ircworld.
asciilifeform: moriarty: except that i ventured formally.
moriarty: bounce, i think he means build a brain
asciilifeform: i used to be rather into the idea of 'hard ai' before realized that we don't even know how to build a computer.
mircea_popescu: i just handed them their ass too, i suspect either a ban or a wambulance coming
moriarty: decimation, i never saw the point in taxation being mandatory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for shits and giggles i asked if anone knew him. no answer.
moriarty: decimation, and, then those who keep the university running, i.e. the undergraduates
decimation: I don't distinguish much between the welfare recipient and the grant recipient
moriarty: decimation, and those down the value chain, i.e. the grant writer
asciilifeform: the fact that i - ever - have to actually stop and explain word 'homoiconic' is proof that 'getting to' use a lisp is not enough.
moriarty: so i used things like Prolog, Haskell, Java, C, or even Matlab