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asciilifeform: i could draw the picture and explain. but then i will have drawn the picture
asciilifeform: ferfuxxake
asciilifeform: they don't have to be
asciilifeform: are all horizontal
asciilifeform: the captions
asciilifeform: plenty of room if you remove that limit
asciilifeform: you know, there is no reason why all the letters have to be parallel with the bottom of the page
asciilifeform: (the job won't be done, but it will become possible for me to do it)
asciilifeform: solrodar: tell you what. i'm not the one who put up the bounty (that was mircea_popescu) but i was the one who asked for the chart. if you can produce a dependency graph in s-expression format, embodying the info in this graph, ~and~ show me how to get same using open source utils, i will say the job is done
asciilifeform: at least 10% of the page should be occupied by letters. ☟︎
asciilifeform: another problem is abominably small print
asciilifeform: the most obvious problems have nothing to do with shortest paths
asciilifeform: trinque: i really don't understand why
asciilifeform: not trying to be a spoilsport, but pointing out fact
asciilifeform: i'd be lying if i said yes
asciilifeform: could you say what it calls ?
asciilifeform: if you had ~only~ this chart,
asciilifeform: and see example of CreateNewBlock
asciilifeform: solrodar: gonna tell me that the structure requires putting, e.g., CWalletDB::ReadBestBlock a mile away from AppInit2, even though the former connects to ~nothing else~ ???!!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-07-2015#1192228 << see thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1194040 << sorry, totally useless ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's where i describe how bitcoin is not actually decentralized at all, but depends on a thoroughly usgificated network of political clocks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: might wanna read that thread, it's pretty lulzy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you have a tip re: how to make perfectly synchronized with one another rubidium clocks materialize in the existing $20 pogos, i'm all ears..
asciilifeform: right now we have the very different problem of how not to drown in own shit.
asciilifeform: we, afaik, do not have those problems yet. must still graduate to them.
asciilifeform: (though by no means useless in general)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the fixation on physical clocks, astronomical magic, etc. is unproductive re: the original problem posed.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: mats: i remember that one - pretty neat! http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html << original www of it
asciilifeform: !b 1 ✂︎
asciilifeform: i doubt they need as many as 700
asciilifeform: decimation: just how many people does the redmond beast need to collect winblowz rent and craft 'bugs' ?
asciilifeform: ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/07/financial-nonsense-overload.html )
asciilifeform: but it will continue to suck in all sorts of other financial garbage and use it to spew forth Euros without comment, keeping other European countries on financial life support simply because they aren't Greece.'
asciilifeform: ries in line... Add to this a double-helping of double standards. The IMF won't lend to Greece because it requires some assurance of repayment; but it will continue to lend to the Ukraine, which is in default and collapsing rapidly, without any such assurances because, you see, the decision is a political one. The European Central Bank no longer accepts Greek bonds as collateral because, you see, it considers them to be junk;
asciilifeform: '...Greece's creditors refuse to consider declaring all of this bad debt null and void—not because of anything having to do with Greece, which is small enough to be forgiven much of its bad debt without causing major damage, but because of Spain, Italy and others, which, if similarly forgiven, would blow up the finances of the entire European Union. Thus, it is rather obvious that Greece is being punished to keep other count
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: was not speaking of the chunk of rock per se. see thread.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193162 << can be very useful as a boat anchor! or balloon ballast. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and appears to be long-dead... to nobody's great surprise
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193160 << 'Fixed difficulty (0.05) / Block reward reduces 4% every 1000 blocks' (from tardstalk) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/days-after-hacking-team-breach-nobody-fired-no-customers-lost << mega-l0l
asciilifeform bbl
asciilifeform: state-of-the-art till the '50s iirc
asciilifeform: until then, it's voodo
asciilifeform: what i meant was, i'd like to see a rational calculation of why the freq.
asciilifeform: (was also thinking of it earlier today)
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm still waiting to read a non-batshit explanation of schumann
asciilifeform: when you can use a planet-sized resonator.
asciilifeform: why settle for little quartz crystals
asciilifeform: which can now be your timebase.
asciilifeform: essentially you want the entire network to have a 'resonant frequency'
asciilifeform: i suppose he can answer when reads log..
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: link ?
asciilifeform: did he ?
asciilifeform: still trying to model this.
asciilifeform: basic idea involves 'left-handed' and 'right-handed' miners, with game-theoretical reward matrix of being one depending on the first derivative in the hashing power of the other.
asciilifeform: and thus i am not entirely sure who would find it interesting here, and why
asciilifeform: it absolutely cannot work with classical bitcoin
asciilifeform: i promise to explain this later.
asciilifeform: the solution is to force the miners themselves into behaving like a pendulum with a period from which they, collectively, deviate at their peril.
asciilifeform: i linked to it to illustrate the sheer batshit
asciilifeform: it is clearly not the solution
asciilifeform: at least, clocks in the usual political sense.
asciilifeform: i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. ☟︎
asciilifeform: like all locusts deserve
asciilifeform: after the current set gets ddt sprayed on them ☟︎
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu might answer that it is for the next set of miners
asciilifeform: if 99% of miners use gavincoin and spv, what is the use of therealbitcoin ?
asciilifeform: and the wall time i want to know is specifically his
asciilifeform: only if i'm personally friends with fella who owns clock
asciilifeform: man, or usg gnome ?
asciilifeform: how the fuck do i know what is on the other end of ionosphere?
asciilifeform: most fundamental problem is that distributed clocks are infinitely sybilable.
asciilifeform: but these do not add up to a trustworthy clock.
asciilifeform: rsa also exists, and this prevents certain other spurious items
asciilifeform: some things cannot be faked.
asciilifeform: i can tell a zero-diff block and so can you
asciilifeform: because proof-of-work.
asciilifeform: it is not. ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: on every wire.
asciilifeform: but in a hell, with devils
asciilifeform: but we are not in space.
asciilifeform: limited only by sr, etc
asciilifeform: if we were in space war, could probably carry on with something like the naive notion of clocks
asciilifeform: chunk of meat in the desert, that flies have not found yet
asciilifeform: but defenseless against a kid with sdr card.
asciilifeform: not only
asciilifeform: the thing is a house of cards
asciilifeform: and notice how easy it is to spoof'em
asciilifeform: try to grasp the difference
asciilifeform: not clocks
asciilifeform: decimation: timebases!
asciilifeform: even before you add a war
asciilifeform: just so happens that the universe is 'bad hardware' for that.