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trinque: the reason we have *nothing* on this front is the conversation goes "there are no nics"
asciilifeform: costs considerably more, and often hard to get ( the swiss d00dz make'em in batches, i had to wait ~month for mine back when i got it ) than konsoomer crud
mircea_popescu: if the idea is "this stove is not intended to work as a gun" then you can't justify buying lens clearing fluid for the stove's scope.
asciilifeform: it DOESN'T win on that score
trinque: I don't see how that follows.
mircea_popescu: but by this reasoning just run windows on it.
asciilifeform: trinque: by that token, can just buy intel's single chip toy box etc
trinque: it's less a bedroom and more pissing off the balcony
trinque: dunno that one's weechat box *ought* to have any expectation of security/privacy
asciilifeform: after that -- fin.
asciilifeform: a certain qty of them -- remains in stock, in various places.
asciilifeform: but separate issue is that amd discontinued the sage-able G-series cpu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by same token ALL known GBe nics are just as useless, yes
asciilifeform: ( there are 3 known boards with these, at least considering only ones that you can actually BUY : apu1; gizmo1; and gizmo2 . afaik . )
mircea_popescu: not that considerations about supplyu chain.
mircea_popescu: so then, main weakness of apu is that it is useless for networking.
asciilifeform: plus the working sage plug.
asciilifeform: and the fact that the mb schematic was actually published ( this is unspeakably untypical )
mircea_popescu: so then what did you like about apu1 in the first place ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform will never be able to in good conscience sign off on the extant GB NICs as auditable items.
asciilifeform: not an example to be imitated, imho.
mircea_popescu: worked ok for those dorks, recall, the guy didn't wanna talk to us ?
asciilifeform: main weakness of apu1 is that it is approx. the pogo
mircea_popescu: maybe we should give trinque shares, box the apu1, sell TMSR router/webserver/mailserver
asciilifeform: and this in a box the size of, approx, vhs tape.
asciilifeform quite fond of those things. THREE (!) GBe nics.
trinque: could build all video related modules, then reboot, modprobe them all, cd /usr/src/linux && make localyesconfig/localmodconfig ☟︎
trinque: same method would apply, but since my own needs begin with headless boxen, started there.
mircea_popescu: trinque> iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot << nah, getting it to correctly use video without taking more in babysitting timevalue than the box cost in the first place. which means < 1 hr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i see box where i can't ban ip as ~useless << why the heck.
trinque: and not grab from the net
trinque: ^ main point of the thing, script shall shit down distfiles
trinque: worthwhile to at least get folks carting around their own copy of various distfiles eh? get them off the debian apt servers and so on.
trinque: but I don't want to overcomplicate things or this will be another round of "gentoo does not work"
asciilifeform: theoretically if you could source the chipset, you could have an equivalent box made, but with dimm slots
trinque: thing is, this recipe shall work provided a particular kernel config for particular box
asciilifeform: so i hesitate to say 'workstation'.
trinque has the gizmo and sage sitting here too
trinque: worthwhile I think to define a noob-box of some standard which can be yet purchased.
asciilifeform: but it is not long for this world. i looked yesterday, it is still offered for sale, but who knows for how long.
asciilifeform: apu1 was the imho interesting box -- the first, afaik, and only truly usable workstation x64 with PUBLISHED mobo schematics
trinque: asciilifeform: sure, but you don't get the "this particular gentoo recipe SHALL WORK" without *some* standard box
trinque: this is superior imho to Framedragger's hosted idea
asciilifeform: trinque: apu2 will run a node. so would a slightly cheaper intel box, and with - turns out - same amount of 'nsa inside'.
trinque: apu2 will sit down a node, run their weechat or w/e
trinque: but this may not be a problem for noobs, worth arguing
trinque: sadly now I find the debugger port I saw on it doesn't do dick.
asciilifeform: ( there isn't, i will add, a 'lowest common denominator' solution for those. )
asciilifeform: trinque: on some boxes, 'first boot' is trivial. on others, not. for instance, my 3ware raid boxen won't load even 1 block after boot loader without the correct mod.
danielpbarron: now the same machine won't emerge sys-devel/gdb ... but it runs eulora! without window manager!
trinque: this thing shits down a userland fs, kernel, lilo, and so long / thanks for teh fish
danielpbarron: i got my first booted on first try yesterday
trinque: I still expect them to do something themselves after first boot
trinque: iirc the main challenge with gentoo for folks has been getting to that first boot
trinque: what I'd oppose is say, "and what if folks want to use it as a router, or NAS, or hair-net"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 17:27 asciilifeform: incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654561 << i like it. pete_dushenski, thoughts? ☝︎
asciilifeform: my contention is that this functionality should never have been modularized / seen as optional.
trinque: at any rate totally willing to hear a list of modules you see everyone should have.
trinque: perhaps. you see firewalling as superior to shipping with "nothing but ssh shall be listening, and if you change this, caveat luser" ?
asciilifeform: plenty of 'meta' modules (i.e. not iron-specific) without which it is questionable that you have a usable box. for instance, TUN.
trinque: folks want more modules, kernel source shall be sitting right there after the thing's booted
trinque: then afaik those do not load absent the hardware
trinque: only modules I'm even going to have it build in the first place are those involving block devices, network cards (eth), usb controllers
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm particularly curious re how you trimmed modules. many crapolade modules don't give any obvious indication that they are useless, there is no mechanism for generating a list of 'THESE we actually need, because of the installed iron, and these -- not' ☟︎
asciilifeform: (). In addition to the handling of hotkey/function key strokes, all key-scancode information [2] is written into a logfile in a world-readable path (C:\Users\Public\MicTray.log)...'
asciilifeform: 'Conexant's MicTray64.exe is installed with the Conexant audio driver package and registered as a Microsoft Scheduled Task to run after each user login. The program monitors all keystrokes made by the user to capture and react to functions such as microphone mute/unmute keys/hotkeys. Monitoring of keystrokes is added by implementing a low-level keyboard input hook [1] function that is installed by calling SetwindowsHookEx
asciilifeform: meanwhile, https://archive.is/83lMS >> HP winblowz boxen, turns out, ship with keylogger in sound card driver. ☟︎
trinque: saturday all day's going to be my catch-up day for this and other things
asciilifeform has two apu1 boxen ready to roll
danielpbarron: i would like this too
asciilifeform: i'd like to try myself.
asciilifeform: post it trinque
trinque: yeh thing can prune itself now.
asciilifeform: you end up with either massive hog kernel 'with everything', or with a thing married to particular iron
trinque: I boot with modules, do localyesconfig, then reboot with that product
asciilifeform: this was the principal obstacle when i tried 'infectious gentoo' concept
asciilifeform: incidentally this'd be a good adjunct to pete_dushenski et al's 'peers' patch : see FROM WHOM a fresh node got each block. ☟︎
trinque a little sad to find the thing's neutered, but the updated infectious genbootstrap will work as well on the other, or any other device with kernel module tweaking
trinque: on teh apu2
asciilifeform: it syncs when hits a fellow trb by accident and that's mostly it.
asciilifeform: also ftr imho 'sync in the wild' is a waste of time, it simply doesn't work, 'wild' contains ~no nodes that actually serve old blox on request.
BingoBoingo: This is why test/experiment!
asciilifeform: wtf is the point, thing will never keep up with blox in real time
asciilifeform: holy shit that's slow
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what kind of test was this ?
BingoBoingo: In other things, sync test is now within 1500 blox
asciilifeform: if you believe the heathen chart ('bitnodes'), 'falcon' mega-relay-network etc has ~same number of nodes as... their count of trb.
shinohai: (supposedly deters BTC theft)
asciilifeform: 'mine Only Nonterrorist Tx, win!11'
asciilifeform: 'FEATURES ... Reduced orphan rate ... Less wasted miner effort' << naturally they pitch it to miners
shinohai: My name For E. Gün Sirer ... his "team" developed that turd.
asciilifeform: shinohai: what's that
shinohai: ^ Falcon is one of The Siren's pet projects iirc
asciilifeform: 'we lost on mining, let's leverage control of the telecoms, TeroristBlox will go as slow as we want, CornellBlox will go at the expected speed on the wire'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 18:50 mircea_popescu: the last time us citizen actually said something in public that wasn't marketing-derivative might have been before mark twain was born.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648749 << this groove wears deeper and deeper ☝︎
trinque: asciilifeform: gotta shake your head vigorously for it to work
trinque: imagine a train for your blocks and you've got it.
asciilifeform: that train looks standin' still to me!111