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BingoBoingo: I imagine you'll be hearing plenty of that in the coming weeks

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 09:06:23 mircea_popescu: so i guess... let's try promoting from the ranks, what could it possibly hurt.

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953427 << I will say, the big advantage this seems to have is diana_coman's pages are getting schooled on communication and organization. If the trend continues and this works out, could be a great demonstration on how to bootstrap people in addition to delivering an OS.

mircea_popescu: actually, i guess ima take the bitchez out for a walk. bbl.

mircea_popescu: anyway, i really can't complain, the weather here's a very solid late march, though it be almost december. sunny warm and pretty.

mircea_popescu: i dunno, let the guy say his piece, it's how it goes.

diana_coman: they are atm under some pressure to finish a working version of a wallet too but I'd say that is currently at a more tech stage really so the os-planning could start anyway.

mircea_popescu: if i have to look at one more "mamaliga cu brinza" nominally, except the brinza is genuine grana padano and the trims are foie gras de canard, beluga roe, anchovies an' pickled green olives my liver's just gonna fall the fuck over.

mircea_popescu: i get it, the internet's best-in-the-world, whatever. i've done all the film watching an' vidya i can stomach.

mircea_popescu: time fucking flies, dude, what the fuck can i say. it's been a month! how long am i gonna sit in this warehouse.

mircea_popescu: so i guess... let's try promoting from the ranks, what could it possibly hurt.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 06:52:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only take-away is that trinque does not want to own the tmsr os. whether this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just that hard to break, or for whatever reason. i can't quite discern, seeing how he talks little and mostly besides the point.

mircea_popescu: seems to me today november the 25th we've not moved inch one away from nov 12th, though it's been two weeks. i don't expect anything substantially different will occur in the remaining two, so i'll just conclude that for whatever reason trinque's not the man for this job.

mircea_popescu: what's left is the one remainder in the hands of this yet-another ex-republic (ex, through its failure, conscious even if disavowed, an' in any case vehehehery carefully constructed out of vehehehehery carefully curated [http://trilema.com/2

mircea_popescu: i shall be leaving for istanbul / isfahan / lebanon / cairo / tipoli / tunis etc (unless i decide to go luxor and so on from there) in another week or two. i wanted, like a sane fucking person, to have things arranged and in working order by then, and indeed -- removing logging from the inept if stupid hands of "the community" looks like it'll be done, as per above. removing coding from the inept if stupid hands of the

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 17:30:40 mp_en_viaje: well... hm. what i mean is, i'm back at eurocastle mp, rather than on the road.

mircea_popescu: now in sadder news : the problem i have here is that i am traveling. i very carefully introduced stationary windows to be able to look after affairs, but we're just about four weeks into the current one, which is thereby drawing to a close.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 02:09:09 lobbes: I've only a few trivial cosmetic changes to make at this point (e.g. I'm going to add those [http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2012/#comment-132433][reference links on the timestamps), as well as the line echo

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 02:09:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951621 << k, I've got this working now.

spyked: ah. at some point the ro tld provider changed the pricing model from indefinite to yearly subscription-based. so I suspect many abandoned sites went offline when their domains expired.

diana_coman: as I was going yesterday through my blog's archives, ~all of the links to .ro are dead; life on the internets is short apparently.

ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-21 00:48:03 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called Shinjiru. I will keep you updated on this

lobbes: I've also got the Malaysia server provisioned as of this time. I've ssh-ed into the box, but that is about it. I will get the remainder of the LAMP stack installed tomorrow methinks.

lobbes: I've only a few trivial cosmetic changes to make at this point (e.g. I'm going to add those [http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2012/#comment-132433][reference links on the timestamps), as well as the line echo

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951621 << k, I've got this working now.

BingoBoingo: From what I understand of riots, the side with horses tends to have an advantage provided they understand the how cavalry works

BingoBoingo: I've been near, but not inside.

mircea_popescu: it is yeah. i'll get to it later today

BingoBoingo: Guess I'll be seeing if the "call to arms" derpery is actually plugged into derps with arms or not.

BingoBoingo: Anyways, I'll start cranking up the pre-emptive photography on the assumption low energy crowds could be misrepresented in hostile press as pink color revolutions.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I suspect the Uruguayos want Montevideo to be turn of the century meatpacking boom Chicago more than they want it to be New York or Miami.

ossabot: (eulora) 2019-11-24 mircea_popescu: "the more insane drivel I read from proponents of Free Software and Open Source, the more convinced I am that this once noble movement will go away and not even become a footnote in the history of mankind when their real goal has been achieved: the destruction of Microsoft."

mircea_popescu: i expect it will be done ~tomorrow. see y'all then!

diana_coman: and there's a quite minimal version that I used to install without any trouble really.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-22 21:16:09 BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used

mircea_popescu: as in, "do you have your reservations ?" "o boy howdy do i! i have reservations about everything!!!" "right this way please, you'll fit right in!"

mircea_popescu: i guess this is a point, not so much walled gardens as padded reservations.

hanbot: lol i was actually innocent of "fondleslabs". but yeah, gotta ensure mass adoption yadda yadda. i wonder if it's telling, your triad of oses-for-purposes, to go right back to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-21#1951674

BingoBoingo: I far as I can tell the space narrowed to 1. Folks developing for fondleslabs 2. Folks developing for Chrome/Chromium/Webkit 3. Folks developing from the increasingly fractured 3Dgame/steam space and settling for whatever nintendos call themselves today

BingoBoingo: hanbot: From what I've seen the outside world seems to have shrank considerably while trying very hard to appear to have grown.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-06-01 08:46:10 mircea_popescu: i wanted to try the outside world

hanbot: BingoBoingo I haven't touched it --possibly mircea_popescu fiddled in there during his recent game box adventure, but possibly not even.

BingoBoingo: That's kinda what I figured. Now that Adobe Flash is dead and buried, is there anywhere on the toilet-web/appverse that doesn't at least appear to work on Chromium?

BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I recommend asking hanbot what she uses to her her boxes.

BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used

BingoBoingo: Every linux/bsd/etc I've run it on top of works with a minimum of fiddling.

BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I've long ago settled on XFCE as my balance between "sometime point and click offload pressure on my brainbox" versus "I don't want to subject myself to engineers constantly breaking everything"

nicoleci: BingoBoingo, yes it does! i can't wait to see how progression develops/end result

nicoleci: BingoBoingo, yeah and i suppose this is actually the cost for updating ubuntu.

BingoBoingo: nicoleci: You probably can't afford the time to go full on ascetic putting together a "cleanest" possible linux, but the first couple things that popped up when I looked for "What causes this awful error" were all gnome related.

hanbot: mircea_popescu there's maybe some complications in terms of how much he likes you because of what you're saying, but i see.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in haremalia, "remind me when you take your muffins out of the oven, i've made brandied persimmons yesterday"

lobbes: mircea_popescu: in any case, tonight I plan to throw together a quick article of my notes

lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/introducing-the-logs/#comment-132414 << sounds good. I'll be around tonight; available tomorrow ~same time; unavailable most of sat; available all day/night sunday

mircea_popescu: lobbes, arrived here, it's really high time we compared notes. i have that bash thing that takes out the relevant bits in my log format and forms proper lines out of them ; it also chunks up the file by date correctly. now, how do you do the sql etc ? you have all this already so i don't have to re-do it i expect ?

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, leads to identifying "what an OS is" to an "I know it when I see it" situation

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, hanbot the problem with your approach is actionability, i expect.

mircea_popescu: i dunno where all this spitting's happening ; i also dunno why you're so committed to poor quality communication as an ongoing thing, but at this point whatevers. be back when you're back and all that.

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-21#1951673 << I've been trying to avoid argument by analogy and metaphor as part of the post-sadness housecleaning, but I'm not finding a better way to describe my understanding of what an OS is outside of it being the tooling and the organization of that tooling that transforms a warehouse (the computer

diana_coman: trinque: nobody knew what you were doing and that's the problem as far as I see it, not the timeframe.

trinque: I'll be back whenever I'm back.

trinque: the thing I was doing with deedbot was getting a ticket tracker together so this could actually be managed

trinque: mircea_popescu: it was a little over one week ago I discussed with you wtf you even want re: ^

hanbot: i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have a manifest of ideals and ideas in there, as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing as general purpose, but there i

hanbot: inasmuch as you can't ever completely specify the future, an attempt to state the purpose of an operating system is doomed to fail either by getting something wrong, or by self-limiting solely for the sake of avoiding the first failure prong. i don't see a third path. if honestly all you wanted the os to do was peel eggs you'd make an egg peeler application, not a kitchen; an "egg peeler os" is the second failure prong, even if it's gloriously fr

diana_coman: if I'm to see it as "os for a purpose", then I go full way and it's really machine-for-a-purpose, from hardware up, everything; basically there is no universal computer at all in reality, only various degrees of trying to fit an average (at best) to all sorts of outliers.

diana_coman: hm, I had to read that quite a few times to stop mixing app and os and getting confused there; I tend to think that the OS should not attempt to "for a purpose" mainly because a. still can't know it in advance and no matter how one defines it, in time it will diverge from what's needed and here we go again b. I think the hardware is more of a cause to start from. I went and re-read also spyked's previous attempts at ...

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in important policy discussions : i've been thinking about bvt's theory, and while i can't say i'm done thinking nor much hope to ever be, here's a major problem i encounter :

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fatfinger expertises, i've managed to blank my scrollback somehow, mashing keyboard. this somehow never occured before, and holy hell is it ~distressing~

diana_coman: I tried to talk to him a bit but I have no idea how much got through

diana_coman: someone left some records pointing to my new IP, what can I say; I don't... mind it.

diana_coman: no, I don't.

mircea_popescu: trinque, looky here, i have a job that needs done and a bunch of people who are interested in helpinh with it. for the past month i've been considering you to run the doing, however as i sit here i still don't know if you are or are not going to. you've not yet put out a plan for it, you've not said if you will, you've not set a date for it, you're just making occasional, impredictable and ~useless drive-bys

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 23:57:50 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951191 << I can take a look elsewhere, sure. Do you have a specific preference for location?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-20 20:51:14 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called Shinjiru. I will keep you updated on this

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951637 - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).

ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-21 Jeff78: The reason I'm interested in your project is because I saw the domain eventix.de is directed to your project. I've started my own business recently after I graduated. To take it of the ground in germany I would be in need of the domain that is now pointing to your website. Would you be open to an offer from my side?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 23:57:50 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951191 << I can take a look elsewhere, sure. Do you have a specific preference for location?

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called Shinjiru. I will keep you updated on this

mircea_popescu: hanbot, you know, i think that's an excellent about page.

diana_coman: I've moved ossasepia.com to 85.25.134.66 where I hope it will stay for longer really; please update hosts files accordingly and sorry for the repeated moves; I've updated DNS records too but those might take a while, as they do.

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951621 << With pleasure. I really hate those fucking emojiis

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951619 << when I make an actual post of an article, it drops the entirety of the content I was trying to post. If I'm updating an article, it drops the entirety of additional content I was adding. Looks like your comment test behaves differently. In any case, it behaves strangely

lobbes: My question for you is, do you ~want~ the table/database utf8 charset extended to 4 bytes to store these things? Alternatively I guess I could just strip 'em out

lobbes: Now I've done some testing, and setting both the mysql server and the table to use the utf8mb4 character set allows the eating of such uniturds

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-16 22:58:47 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, im pleased to report i buried your guy under enough material to last him the month lulz.

dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-16#1951490 << I'm slowly crawling out, delayed a bit by travel ^ prep , but glad to be buried in meaning rather than nonsense.

mircea_popescu: i thought it was owned by yahoo

mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end...

ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-18 03:14:48 lobbes: mircea_popescu: in updates, I've got the #trilema back-logs (back to 2016-03-28) importing into my test blog now: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/03/trilema-log-for-2016-03-28/

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-19#1951578 << yeaah right you are. Not sure wtf I was thinking, but I will fix

diana_coman: oh, I can guess: she... stood out. Too much!

mircea_popescu: i can't even imagine what she did, tbh.

diana_coman: by now I start thinking it would be a lot of fun to write this sort of thing in purely religious terms because it fits so well really.

spyked: ave1, afaik the term is game-theoretical, i.e. given some "game" scenario involving partial information, where the agent can receive some payoff depending on its actions, it can in principle evaluate an "expected" payoff for some particular actions. since the info is partial, I'm reading "expected" here as "the most likely to occur". but I'd be curious to see a formal definition as well.

lobbes: ave1: expected value. Game theory I believe

ave1: and I think there was an update on that list in 2018, but I'm simply not finding it....

ave1: I'am looking for a longer description of +ev and -ev. I remember reading about it either here in the log or on trilema, but so far no luck. I.E. it seems to be missing from the 2016 thesaurus (http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/).

lobbes: There also appears to be an issue with the line ordering in places, but I think I know where to look for that