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phf: which goes back
to mircea_popescu's point of "nakamoto discovering bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: and yes, it can be said it all stands in
the same relation
to henderson & functional geometry as all
the "gurus" and "experts" of
the us school of management stand with skinner.
phf: i
think
that might be a haskelism. a functional formalism 20 years after
the original concept
phf: oh
the functional geometry henderson
mircea_popescu: 7. continuity of design and in principle exists
throughout 2-5 ; implementations vary.
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: 6.
the item at 5 is what most people deem ps, but
this is somewhat like
thinking facebook invented php because it stole
the sources and renamed
them.
mircea_popescu: 5.
the selfsame fellow named warnock, with some others, started out in early 80s, made a company named "adobe", wrote
the
third copy of
the ~same ps item.
mircea_popescu: 4.
the fellow named warnock was hired by xerox parc, which was also
trying
to get a publishing software package. he used HIS ps,
to rewrite
theirs.
mircea_popescu: 3. a fellow by
the name warnock, while working on a forgotten company cca 1975, came up with ps, in
the sense a fellow called nakamoto came up with bitcoin. he was at
the
time working on
the problem of drawing maps.
mircea_popescu: 2.
the alternative was run on digital machines, which ran software.
mircea_popescu: 1. publishing, after having operated on hot (molten metal) process for almost a century, with gradual improvements, moved
to a purely photographic alternative starting in 1960s and complete by 1975.
phf: se in a physical printing world. i don't know any prior art
to postscript, but i don't
think publishing is it. most of
the
things postscript does simply doesn't make sense in a physical publishing
phf: i don't share
the anti-postscript sentiment. i
think it's a maxwell's equation of graphics programming. introduces idea of graphics state stack, with operations
that happen inside state or in
transition between state (e.g. "displace everything
that i said so far by n pixels right") . pretty much all
the graphics code (including for example opengl) is a variation on what postscript does. and most of
the
things postscript does simply doesn't make any sen
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you recal, was principal in gol start-up, we looked at ways
to cheat.
mircea_popescu: no i know what hashlife is. was re above
trinque surprise.
mircea_popescu: would be interesting
to see what happens if $noob starts feeding old lines from someone in wot.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: checked, yeah pretty amazing, damn; obviously lots of memory overhead depending on noise/entropy, but point is
that it was actually something new, as you say, not just any optimisation
phf: oddly enough djvu is hated in angloworld (something something patents), but most of
the archives of soviet written material is in djvu
trinque: Framedragger: did I link
this abomination or what?
Framedragger: aha yeah vaguely recall. "can actually skip states!!"
thing
Framedragger: yeah djvu is great for what it does. never bothered
to check how it actually worx, wavelet compressor, cool.
Framedragger: incidentally
that ^ looks like an interesting piece on automata!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:23 mircea_popescu: anyway,
there was a sort-of working js
to
txt item alf was demonstrating at some point. i dun recall where it ended up.
mircea_popescu: the adobe ps is
the warnock wtf he called it, system something or
the other. xerox parc also had something, of course, but it died out.
mircea_popescu: phf how's what ? dude at some company was
trying
to print geodata.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. ps (that eventually yielded pdf, and also what you apparently
think is ps) yielded
tex
through knuth's reaction
to it.
mircea_popescu: but, postscript is NOT
the invention of some adobe dorks. postscript was a
thing cca 1976, and stolen, ~wholly, from already existing print process, by eg warnock.
mircea_popescu: point being,
there was some software running
the crap knuth didn't like, wrote replacement.
mircea_popescu: (including
the only items with pit style monitors, other
than in alfs home,
that i ever knew of.)
mircea_popescu: and
they had you know, linotypes and stuff. dedicated computrons.
mircea_popescu: phototypesetting, it's a
thing, uses lenses instead of lead.
mircea_popescu: there WAS
the molten metal
tech, same as what
they printed
the 1929 nyt on. but cca 1970s it was replaced by photo
mircea_popescu: anyway ; afaik
the whole reason
tex exists is because sometime in early 80s/ late 70s knuth got some galley proofs from
the new photo process and hated
them
mircea_popescu: while i
think it's broadly
true
that ps yielded
tex and pdf in world and gutter respectively, it's not clear
the ps folk understood reflow, or generally speaking
the problem
they were
trying
to approach.
mircea_popescu: oh, because everyone watches
the internet on standard issue
tvs ?
mircea_popescu: the reason our brains work and computers don't is,
to a significant portion,
that our brains actually define what PASSES FOR sense.
mircea_popescu: suddenly puts
the ai as digital-machine-intelligence problem in its proper perspective, and also supplies a very good explanation for
the genysym issue. people going
think() are ACTUALLY approaching
the river at
the other end.
mircea_popescu: incidentally,
that's prolly
the only acceptable definition of intelligence.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:10 Framedragger: it'd really be great if
there were a ~decent pdf2html
tool, with no JS. and i don't mean just "extract and dump plaintext", i can do
that,
too.
mircea_popescu: and for
the record, soap operas, action movies,
talk shows etc haven't replaced literature strictly because
there's no way
to say "we're in
the business of emission, make your own fucking receiver sets" when it comes
to
television.
that and no more.
mircea_popescu: it dun work, it's just
that nobody loves
them enough
to beat
them for it.
mircea_popescu: girls going "i don't know how
to
tell you
this" are in for a beating on
the strength of
that alone, meanwhile whole generation of dorks having not much
to say at all fretting ineptly about ~the way~
they're saying it / "presenting
themselves" expect
this
to somehow work.
mircea_popescu: i'll receive it as i'll receive it,
that's my problem.
mircea_popescu: all of it is
the same
thing, a deeply misguided attempt
to control
the reception of
the message. focus on
the fucking message.
mircea_popescu: the content is never
the problem. it always and universally goes
to shit when
they attempt
to control ~the consumption~ of content. hence drm and css, hence return mid paragraph "because i don't want YOU
to scroll horizontally" etc.
mircea_popescu: depict in as what, adding some screenshots in
the
text ?
Framedragger: of course, usually
the medium is misused - sure.
Framedragger: i disagree
that visuals cannot add more
than
text all of
the
time. best way
to depict broken css rendering is
to depict it.
mircea_popescu: really. i don't want
to watch some dork on video. i don't want
to watch his stupid slides. i don't want
to watch his facebook. really all
this "rich content", diagrams-hyelogryphs-bs is only
there because illiterate monkey has nothing
to say.
Framedragger: for one,
there are some lulzy screenshots showing
the insanity of JS event loop, and exceptions, and css rendering, etc.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yes,
to
text yes, hence why i said plaintext is
the easy part ^. but you're right, maybe
text is
the way
to go in
these shitcases...