asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very easy to filter: reject anything that isn't a valid gossipd packet addressed to your key
asciilifeform: it is relevant to having created this bizarre situation where mircea_popescu thinks that tcp somehow solves ANY of the problems discussed earlier
asciilifeform: they would much rather that everyone announce, for usg's ease of snoopage, when they are beginning to speak, and to whom, for how long, which order the bytes lay down in.☟︎
asciilifeform: usg never liked the lack of inspectorial insight that udp creates. so they have deliberately set up this situation, long ago
asciilifeform: this is the one and only reason it was ever possible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: realize that udp ddoes only ever existed because the net is willing to route packets 'from victim's' machine to the idiot tv boxes, who 'answer' them
asciilifeform: who tells that 'all will be well' if only you agree to limit net to tiny permissible set of stateful protocolz
asciilifeform: and the way to avoid it is by resisting, unconditionally, any and all seemingly-reasonable suggestions by usg tools to constrict the permissible set of the net.
asciilifeform: this is, i argue, an avoidable calamity
asciilifeform: the unfortunate place we're going to is where gossip packets can only be emitted, received, or routed by os that we personally issue; and will only travel on cables to and from mircea_popescu's house
asciilifeform: and 4) isn't readily and easily flagged and filtered as 't3rr0r1st net' by 90% of world's isp
asciilifeform: what i'd really like to see is what mircea_popescu proposes i use for single-packet auth that 1) isn't udp 2) existing net will reliably route 3) existing os will agree to emit without any new code running as root
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was no legacy lockin in bitcoin !
asciilifeform: trinque: i did this experiment, and found quite a few variations (machine version strings - srsly, wtf gcc ? an automated annihilator for these is a necessity) ; optimizations
asciilifeform: trinque: you will notice that gcc embeds turds
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see a difference of degree only
asciilifeform: the situation of 'drivers', for instance, is quite analogous to situation where every block of flats has own voltage, frequency, and mains socket shape that the landlord felt like drawing on a napkin.
asciilifeform: just pointing out the incongruity of 'x86 is winner'
asciilifeform: it sticks around because 'market' is a braindead slave to its own past, like pregnant cow
asciilifeform: 'supports winblowz and unix' is not 'works'
asciilifeform: x86 'works' is perhaps the ultimate illusion.
asciilifeform: (not everything is a dc power supply with arbitrary input !)
asciilifeform: but they stick around for same reason
asciilifeform: i dare to suggest that there is not a single transoceanic line or satellite in orbit that usg could not arbitrarily diddle, or remove entirely, at their pleasure.
asciilifeform: recall thread with chinese si fabs running winblowz ?
asciilifeform: as far as the machines are concerned, this is actually true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see this picture where it is absent in us but somehow present in patagonia
