asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891883 << sure does ! ( if mircea_popescu's oxford segment is supposed to support the 'not all ! institutions decay like old stump', i'm not seein' it, seems to support exactly opposite angle.. )☝︎
asciilifeform: ( as if ~any~ db belonging to a usg.corp were or could be anyffin other than a usg.db )
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, this one is (standing next to the others) ~honest~ : immediately admits 'we're usg front an' proud, heil clitler' vs the competing shops who pretend, thinly , to somehow not
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've worked on boxen with 128+ addressable cpu corez, but i dun expect eulora will find itself on these with any frequency
asciilifeform: hm interesting, i thought mircea_popescu et al were using the stock ada tasks thing
asciilifeform: they went full bore 'whore strat' in 1800s.
asciilifeform: i'm not even sure which of the 2 boxes one would put jp in -- they copied eurostan to the point that hirohito wore ~same clothes as mircea_popescu is wearing nao
asciilifeform: didn't. instead conquered ~all of asia, captured the iron, molybdenum, petro, whole fucking periodic table that dun grow in jp, and nearly put an end to the brit pantsuit zombie, by pretty close score
asciilifeform: could have instead, i suppose, said 'eh, asteroid' and laid down in ditch to die. but they didnt.
asciilifeform: jp 'agreed' even faster, went in <50y from 'zulu' to sinking white devil's gunships from out of direct sight range
asciilifeform: i suspect that if the zulu had lived on, through sheer numeric bulk, and caught up to building own maxim mg, they would also have 'national humiliation day' holiday.
asciilifeform: that's the interesting, imho, bit, they agree that 'serves right'
asciilifeform: ( they have even a 'national humiliation day' as holiday, commemorating defeat in opium war )
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, asciilifeform thinks of 'the chinese' in ~past tense~, afaik the current inhabitants are a continuation of euro thinking, rather than the folx who spun in circles in xyz b.c. )
asciilifeform: they also have a word for latrine, big fat deal ( or mircea_popescu would contend that 'king who fails to pass his regular kinging litmus' aint a universal item ? )
asciilifeform: it's a fundamentally euro limb to walk on, 'fuck you all, if it dun model it dun exist'
asciilifeform: the chinese, as i understand, would have sided with mircea_popescu : 'eh get out, you can't model this'
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu's angle that 'it is pointless to try an' model civilizations, even if you had enuff data to work with, it won't fit in head' ? or that 'this 1 model suxx'
asciilifeform: if we're doing the romans, dun seem to fit ( rome pushed back 10e19 orcs for 400+ yrs, ~then~ started to lose air from tyres )
asciilifeform: so contention is, roughly, 'asteroid dropped' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in my mind 'habsburg' (or if you insist on pedantic, 'last habsburg') is shorthand for inbreeding and 'king has trouble tying own shoes'
asciilifeform: for that matter, how is zulu's failure to invent the mg to shoot back at brits with, not 'demographic breakdown'
asciilifeform: 'demographic breakdown' is entirely acceptable 'why'. but i dun see how it contradicts.
asciilifeform: there's a contiguous functioning throne in armenia ?! or venice??
asciilifeform: still waitin' for the counterexample, of dynasty somewhere that didn't eventually have its arse handed to it by outsiders
asciilifeform: how is it that mircea_popescu can discuss 'the socialists' but not say 'which ones', lenin, gorby, or obummer
asciilifeform: possibly not, but imho unless we find that they parachuted from mars, null hypothesis is that they're roughly similar
asciilifeform: and iirc contention was 'earlier men as model for laters' rather than 'man as model for stars'
asciilifeform: certainly seems to have croaked , neh
asciilifeform: 'you say multiplication on integers commutes, but whata load of rubbish, somewhere in resplenduminous-land betcha there's 2 where it doesn't' ?
asciilifeform: possibly i'm thick, but i read 'fails to distinguish' as 'tautological', i.e. you can flip the bits and get equally 'good bedtime' model
asciilifeform: re reversed -- iirc in prev thread , went mircea_popescu : 'justify this constant logically!' a: 'not errything can be justified, sometimes yer stuck using guts!'
asciilifeform: well for instance, i'm getting to hear a 'this model may be good bedtime story, and sorta hangs together, but ultimately tells you nuffin actionable' from the (apparently) last fella who runs freud model
asciilifeform: oh hey are we replaying the 'guts' thread with switched chairs ?
asciilifeform: 'oak lives 200y' 'nonsense, i just cut down 1 after month'
asciilifeform: i can picture mircea_popescu , living in the time of harvey , 'yer model of blood circulation is nonsense, you say erryone has veins, arteries, heart, but for all you know the cynocephali in africa dun have any such thing'
asciilifeform: let's hear about the excluded counters ? e.g. is there a dynasty still going somewhere for 1000y that never enhabsburgated into idiocy ?☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. you can't use it to aim a cannon, or navigate, etc
asciilifeform: what i thought was mircea_popescu's objection, is 'this model dun ~do~ anyffin useful'
asciilifeform: the only 1 i had in mind in thrd was 'civilizations build up & then collapse', which is closest thing i know of to 'models of society' with any support whatsoever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was addressing 'broadly works'
asciilifeform: or where greeks knew of magnet, also as useless curio
asciilifeform: why not the typical example, where romans 'hey, phunphakt, some rocks emit flammable black piss'
asciilifeform: dist. of primes -- until rsa. and so on.
asciilifeform: trigonometry was widely 'coo to sleep' until artillery.
asciilifeform: whether 'is this model worth my time' is q that only you can answr for self. to many folx, euler's model of distribution of primes 'aint worth time', to others -- worth
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : nobody has ever measured a movement of a continental plate directly, and nobody will. but it's the only model that even starts to make sense of various minerological strata distributions. and so there it is. )
