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asciilifeform: i buy barrels of water. can laugh at it just the same.
asciilifeform: for game, most folx seem happy with porcelain, prng, rather than platinum, trng, toilet. but hey - who wants, can sell, buy.
trinque: gotta then have the game, and have people cut down on reputation, and etc
asciilifeform: for montecarlo then ?
trinque ranks "I live in an arena where men stand on their names." as only dream
asciilifeform: quite conceivably 'proof that he did' will be delivered to your smoking crater, and won't do much good.
mircea_popescu: and obviously "oh but x could backstab you". yes, he could. and in the process give me proof he did.
trinque: just like the boat thing
trinque: thread can be generalized to cost-benefit-analysis of establishing trust vs handcrafting
mircea_popescu: if it did fit, it did fit, and if it didn't fit it's not there.
mircea_popescu: should i need entropy i'd rather wotbuy it than os-"make" it
mircea_popescu: i can conceive that i'd trust x to rng more than i'd trust myself, in some conditions.
asciilifeform: but will observe that both sellers of rng bits, and esp. buyers, are a little 'off their rockers' imho.
trinque: just sounds like it comes from a notion of flat social topology
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what this is about. you have some sort of objection to other people platying with the bots or ?
asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i intend to be quite dead, also can't help.
asciilifeform: trinque: that was in re industrial collapse
mircea_popescu: im sure it is the easiest.
trinque: asciilifeform: how do you square that with other threads where "will someday be rare to own a computer"
shinohai: That entire site is a lulz farm, and was proffered as the easiest way to do gpg on reddit darknet,makets page
asciilifeform: can't help, there.
asciilifeform: aaah 'perceived values', yes, that's three doors down from asciilifeform . right next to where they make the plastic 'bitcoins' and plastic porches etc.
mircea_popescu: which is why the entire "own the world" item earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perceived value is the question.
shinohai: asciilifeform: igolder used to do that I think.
shinohai staring at teaser tits ..... "I'd like to buy your most expensive bottle of champagne"
asciilifeform: anyone recall the ancient 'pgp key generating service' ?
mircea_popescu: point remains, you can watch some guy gettiung a lapdance for free. same here, won't have your name on it, that's all.
mircea_popescu: if they share them or not... hey, they don't share fucking textbooks.
mod6: but it's crossed my mind a number of times since i started testing these things.
asciilifeform: lap dance works on 1 lap at a time
mod6: food for thought.
mircea_popescu: maybe. though this would be more like "price of lap dance". which is not 0.
asciilifeform: mod6: so only question of time before price goes to 0 and stays there permanently.
trinque: mircea_popescu: important point that, otherwise folks run around thinking bitcoin will fix all the social problems by itself.
mod6: yup. indeed. there are many fgs, and lots of enterprising people out there.
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at how wanna-be ronin slavegirl imagines "there's a lo of cryptocurrencies now". ie, there's n oconspiracy needed, the poor idiots will simply HALLUCINATE the poor idiot world. be it there or not.
asciilifeform: mod6: pretty easy to undercut to death tho
mod6: and ask like that might never catch a bid, but market will meet somewhere, will sell into highest bids, etc.
trinque: aha, undoutably trilema first
mircea_popescu: original is likely the trilema piece about "Future of bitcoin", predicting how people are going to do the most stuipid thing, and explaining how it's not for fucking sneakers.
trinque: this though seems in line with the fact that not everyone owns his own ass.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 mircea_popescu: well if it's discussed with slavegirls and a great pink fuzzy harem with soft velvety marbles and foggy complex pools... then yes@
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 trinque: there was another thread where it was discussed that the common person would merely operate out of an account held by his lord, and everyone bobbled heads at that because the framing felt good.
mod6: put up 1.5Gb of entropy... start the bidding at say 1mn ecu
mod6: i actually looked at it lastnight to see if I could start my own auction for this exactly.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place.
trinque: thread's been had a couple times, ^
mircea_popescu: likely. that , eu coppers, etcetera.
trinque putting a great deal of thought into the payment thing precisely because that sort of side channel is likely to be the unwashed masses way to pay, forevermore
trinque: asciilifeform: in re beggers and target market, folks did get rich owning the world, as mircea_popescu said
asciilifeform: 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (dead tree!)
asciilifeform: on the other, historic end of things, we have the infamous https://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1418/index2.html
mircea_popescu: kinda how this works. by the timpe peopple pay bots here for rng, we're simply owning the world and no more. which is why i said maybe premature.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had thread, las vegas runs 100% on usg-supplied prng (yes, prng) boxes, welded shut
mod6: there is a bar to entry. the bar is N btc high.
mod6: i can't know who would want this, but i'd imagine i wouldn't discriminate on who would want it. just as long as they PAY.
asciilifeform: ( though i'm prepared to hear from mircea_popescu how even this, is not so )
asciilifeform: i dun think anyone ever got rich, by pitching to'em
asciilifeform: mod6: whichever model you go with, beggars are probably not the target market
mod6: and as far as "sample" perhaps that's not how it works. maybe like via trinque's thing or something. but i agree, there is some sort of model here.
asciilifeform: neither will create entropy from thin air. but one destroys, other -- not
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch. << sure, something. > than 0 tho.
asciilifeform: think, destructive vs nondestructive transform.
asciilifeform: where previously there was none.
asciilifeform: there are gradations of idiocy. merely re-arranging the bits does not induce correlation.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and fucking is also intrinsically promisetronic. so what of it ? most of the things we do and enjoy are founded onm promise.
mircea_popescu: if they're happy with hash(x) can get entropy right now by curl google.com > sha512sum.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: offering trng output for someone to download, for money, or otherwise, is intrinsically promisetronic
mircea_popescu: iuf thyey want prng, they can has. if they do not, they can has. rest is really not my problem.
asciilifeform: the payload is an aes256 of the input, key (irrelevant to this gedankenexperiment) lives in the headers yes
mircea_popescu: you can not promise gpg is just aes. neither can they.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this doesn't touch the payload
asciilifeform: which is 'whitening' if the starting material is 0000....000 , but doesn't hurt if trng.
mircea_popescu: you recall, the item with the sha-1 "fingerprints" etc.
mod6: anyway, just throwing it out there.
mircea_popescu: you don't know what stupid shit gpg does to it while encrypting.
mod6: well, i figured, im not really sure I do this anyway, but lets make a market. i'll say .1, he'll say .0001 and somewhere, we hvae price discovery.
asciilifeform: no, they get ~same amount as if paid.
mircea_popescu: could take the logs and sha them a billion times, whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can distill it from their keyboard, if that's what they want.
asciilifeform: esp. considering that we aren't speaking of cryptographic (noshit!) entropy, but, for, e.g., montecarlo
mircea_popescu: i suspect most of the .1 btc you came up with is payment friction, rather than anything else.
asciilifeform: mod6: and the folx who didn't pay, cannot distill entropy from your ciphertext because ..?
mod6: maybe charge by the byte, or jiggabyte. something. have to figure out what the market is willing to bear as a price tho.
mircea_popescu: might work as a bot service. esp once trinque finishes payments.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 13:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661674 << was thinking there, for those who would want it, a model where guy asks for N bytes of entropy via FG. would generate N bytes. base64 encode the binary entropy file (similar to trb deps), place the sha512 output hash of the base64 decoded file along with the ent & dieharder output in a clearsigned message, then PGP encrypt it to the requester. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( rather than to, say, deedbot )
asciilifeform: actually i have dulap log on dedicated display, and every phuctor hit in l0gz is a hit from same ip, belonging to 'archive'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun take my word for it, make page that returns request and archive it.
mircea_popescu: that's why iot can even see google in the first place.
asciilifeform: e.g. every time a phuctor hit is in the l0gz
asciilifeform: jurov: no, but fetches megatonnes of tmsr-related linx
asciilifeform: archive.is is exceptionally poor measure, by this token
asciilifeform: next you're in a new continent, jurov , try it from hotel terminal
asciilifeform: at this point hard to be sure whether jurov sees it in 2nd place because he lives in that ip block
asciilifeform: ( incidentally every time i hear about it, i'm a little surprised that it still exists )