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asciilifeform: ( and, importantly , optically, rather than promisetronically )
asciilifeform: ( put spiral down, with clock and data tracks, read with 2 photodiodes and spindle similar to record player )
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 16:12 asciilifeform: incidentally it is imho maddening that pc never standardized a SYNCHRONOUS serial interface
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, and continuing thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664215 -- it'd make print-rsakey-on-cardboard simpler, also, to read off ☝︎
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha, see entire thread.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: this the paste you're refering to for bsd box ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664112 ☝︎
asciilifeform: imho the correct implication, is excrement-packaged-for-human-consumption, rather than just any ol' pile-o'shit
asciilifeform: i won't take credit for crapolade ( picture marmalade from liquishit, say ) but have nfi where heard it.
pete_dushenski: all these from asciilifeform 's fertile mind ?
pete_dushenski: lol that then begs the questions where 'crapolade' came from
asciilifeform: well, it's crapolade that comes out of a printer
pete_dushenski wonders what was etymology of 'printolade'. it's a great term!1
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/>; NEXT: 26-02-2016 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/%3Fdate%3D26-02-2016>; Trilema - Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2016-04-01-logs-trilema.txt>
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see paste in earlier thread, re your bsd box
pete_dushenski: wtf kind a braindeads are pumping eth to these levels anyways. do govs really have that much fiat left to wash trade with ? ☟︎
trinque: oh christ, no, I didn't mean that
pete_dushenski: could be $ethereum! which has HALF the market cap of bitcoin donchaknow ☟︎
trinque: really meant $republic there.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can't comment on the autos of 'less poor' folx, never bought mclauren parts.
trinque: look in 2040, if bitcoin doesn't sling enough dick that there are sane parts to be had, better seppuku
pete_dushenski: omg be less poor then
asciilifeform: ( one that doesn't drive you to consider a new auto )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but you did shift the goalposts a fair but there : 'inspected & licensed' quickly became 'only toyota'. problem ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 3-4 decades of 'at any price' availability, likely. probably no more than 1-2 at economical-price.
trinque: but it's a fair point; you'll otherwise have to buy the coke machine on wheels
pete_dushenski: that's easily 3-4 decades though
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'parts plentiful' while junkyard still has'em, and then suddenly goes to 0
asciilifeform: unless you want to fit a 1980s motor in there.
asciilifeform: trinque: my thought was that if you want that toyota to run in 2040 you will probably have to buy the factory that made the, e.g., oxygen sensors, ignition comp, whatever digital crud (and its analogue tendrils) that the thing demands in order to run
pete_dushenski: anyways, parts are plentiful, just at a more macro level (ie whole gauge cluster) because microparts fizzle (like my gpu this week actually)
trinque: these I don't know why anyone would buy, unless he has the money to buy the manufacturer when he wants something.
asciilifeform: trinque did mention toyota, not mclauren.
asciilifeform: the kind that get inspected & licensed
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: speaking here of street, rather than race, cars
asciilifeform: ( you will get new comp for them where ? new chemical sensors ? )
trinque: incorrect. 2000s toyota tundras are beastly, reliable machines
trinque: apparently I'm going to have to stockpile <=2010 tundras next to my g5 macs
asciilifeform: eventually you either buy it or learn to machine parts for your vintage auto.
pete_dushenski: this is actualy the legacy of the whole gay right movement innit : everyone and their dog is *-oriented. such human social progress this advent.
asciilifeform: trinque: that's what 1980s folx said re fuel injection
trinque: I will never buy a car that has enough computer in it to use such a thing. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: worx great because plebs don't use keyboards anyways. too ON THE GOGOGO. because mobility-oriented donchaknow.
pete_dushenski: seats already have built-in massage (shiatsu!) so no reason not to used relaxed butt muscle for quantum thinking
asciilifeform: ^ these are commercial items! just ask bigphysics-pr-man hawking
pete_dushenski: you joke but laptop-style 'mousepads' are the next 'big thing' in automotive interior design. they're generally placed aft of the gear shifter in the horizontal area of the centre console.
asciilifeform: 'The newest Lexusesiv in particular have the most (Hashem-) forsaken hvac/audio computer systems WITH A MOUSE.' << lol!!!
asciilifeform: it still 'cares' what the baud rate is
asciilifeform: not same thing
asciilifeform: it is how , e.g., ps/2 kbd/mouse port worked. ( however it was never turned into a general-purpose item ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'synchronous serial' is simply a thing like rs232 but with 2nd pin, for clock, and then machine knows when to read off the bits.
asciilifeform: ( usb is not a 'serial interface' at all but a massive tub of liquishit, with bookcase-sized spec )
asciilifeform: incidentally it is imho maddening that pc never standardized a SYNCHRONOUS serial interface ☟︎
mod6: i think from this little exercise that I can conclude that my tests, on linux, did exactly what they should have done.
asciilifeform: it's a 'wtf, ent thinks pi equals 2, wat gives' tool.
mod6: will look at ldattach.8, thanks!
mod6: yup, just was gonna do those three. wont litter the logs any more with those.
asciilifeform: mod6: running these on items that already passed diehard is waste of time
asciilifeform: http://man.openbsd.org/ldattach.8 << try re flowcontrol on bsd
mod6: here's the output from hist.py FG#1, run 3: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DwunV/?raw=true (on linux box)
asciilifeform: and it'll pick up something with most of the 1s stuck on.
asciilifeform: if box is misbauded, it will pick up a byte solely by accident, when it gets something that looks like it has the start and stop bits
asciilifeform: now do it to what you got on the bsd box
mod6: here's the hist.py from FG1, run 2: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/04373/?raw=true
asciilifeform: it is likely that you have one somewhere in the house already
mod6: gotcha, i'll look at getting one of those.
mod6: but the battery cell is somehow better for this test?
asciilifeform: the other factor, aside from ac mains ripple , is rf ( from the power path being of any appreciable length ) from environment
asciilifeform: by same token your comp is also 'ideal dc'
mod6: isn't that what the Dr. Meter does? you set it to 5v and it's g2g. i've verified with multimeter (Fluke) that it does spit out what it says it spits out.
mod6: instead of the battery pack, can I just use my Dr. Meter DC PS?
asciilifeform: fwiw i did a 1G of this on ~one~ particular unit and found no significant differences
asciilifeform: ( be sure to tie together the battery-minux and the ground on the usb dongle )
asciilifeform: btw if mod6 wants a mega-useful sequel to his tests, he can buy a https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/008236/008236128024.jpg and try battery run
mod6: it's USB-TTL direct plugged into machine, wired with the 5v, out, & gnd
mod6: and yah, this setup is without usbhub.
asciilifeform: y'know, the kind that drop specific octets.
asciilifeform does not recommend the histogram thing as a firstline test, it was written as diagnostic to ferret out broken os
mod6: yeah, they were collected on linux as such ^
asciilifeform: yes, but this did not tell me ~on what~
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 15:35 mod6: but take a look at these results from FG#1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lGnuD/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664123 << this ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: yes but where was the input collected
mod6: im running the ./hist.py on a linux environment amd64
asciilifeform: plz to describe the entire setup
mod6: ok. am trying. will report.
asciilifeform: mod6: try plain old 'cat'
mod6: so back to the bsd-side-quest.... i built `coreutils 8.21' on my openbsd box. now have `gdd` on there. which has a 'fullblock' iflag.
asciilifeform: you will see 'dragons in the clouds'.
asciilifeform: the perhaps worst 'test' ~of a working rng in particular~ is to look at the hex with naked eye
mod6: makes sense, i think it was worth covering this though -- wanted to be sure that I have one solid test-bed.
asciilifeform: but it helps to remember what the idea is.
asciilifeform: sorta the point of 'ent', 'dieharder', etc. is so as not to have to do these by hand.
asciilifeform: ( if there were, you would fail dieharder's 'birthdays' test at the very least. )
mod6: i went back to my linux output entropy files to see about the 'ff fd' thing; I'm really jammed up on openbsd. and that's a different side-quest we can discuss later. but now i'm wondering about the flow-control/output from collections done on linux
asciilifeform: mod6: still dealing with the bsd thing ?
mod6: but take a look at these results from FG#1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lGnuD/?raw=true ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is astonishingly tricky to get raw bytes UNMOLESTED into and out of a 'modern pc'.
asciilifeform: will reveal, e.g., 'smart,helpful' unix that drops 'in-band control' octets.
asciilifeform: ( histograms, you will want when trying to learn what it was that you broke in your setup )
asciilifeform: first test however is always 'ent', you can see in pete_dushenski's sample that ent immediately produces barf