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TomServo: "Whoever decided to use the semicolon to end something should just be taken out and have his colon semified. (At least COBOL and SQL managed to use a period.)" heh
asciilifeform: "here's a bridge building specification to accomodate the many bad bridges build all over the country" said nobody ever. << the space scuttle was, according to legend, sized so that the typical american bridge could safely pass it. likewise legend holds that this was just short of true, and many bridges (not to mention roads) had lives considerably shortened by the scuttle
asciilifeform: email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project << would have to be present at every hop of the message. a direly implausible project, sadly
mircea_popescu: 's not a very good list.
mircea_popescu: why then would you read nobody's opinion in the newspaper or try to digest a random chunk of online nonsense.
trinque: punkman: "droned" << heh, I just got a call from a weird number saying they received a package addressed to me
mircea_popescu: would you eat a chunk of cheesy-looking substance you found on the sidewalk ?
mircea_popescu: a node of unknown provenance doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: re generating seedlist: once conected, the node has a list of working connections, yes? So dump some data from our working nodes into a file, that is our new seedlist for new nodes. Update periodically for people to grab from Foundation website. << not substantially different from the "scan the web" notion. more democracy.
mircea_popescu: "here's a bridge building specification to accomodate the many bad bridges build all over the country" said nobody ever.
mircea_popescu: chetty: email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :) << better than darmkail and other bs at any rate.
TomServo: I noticed a fully-synced node maintains its IRC connection. I was curious if that's desirable, and also if that means you're made a candidate to fill other nodes?
assbot: 1 results for 'this_is_lame.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=this_is_lame.txt
asciilifeform: at least we oughta bake a 'lint' for these msgs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: jurov: without so much as a burp. << you knoiw you keep saying this, but it's an email drop. how would you want it to burp ?
mircea_popescu: who with a clue is ever surprised by the facts of any matter in discussion ?
mircea_popescu: and there;'s a coupla more folks i wouldn'
mircea_popescu: yes, a supermajority. bluematt did mopst of the post 0.5.3 testing that's not retarded,
mircea_popescu: currently doing something on sillycon funds with gmaxwell as a public whore.
assbot: 40 results for 'alf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=alf
mircea_popescu: what im not halucinating i saw a oh diff similar one ?
asciilifeform: (there's a few lines of code from that one in here)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://log.b-a.link/?date=03-02-2015#1004122
thestringpuller: "I'm going to drill holes in the bottom of all the mugs to illustrate a point"
thestringpuller: jurov: yea. that was a really big story when it first came out. A lot of people started migrating of mongodb
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "but WaffleDB is so much faster than mysql!" - which is a great argument if you're counting pageviews or storing log entries <<< yeah, which is a great argumrent too bad it's irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: trinque: should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork? << things can't end up detimestamped in the first place.
mircea_popescu: berkley db WAS NO GOOD because not modern enough. key value stores not a problem. those are good.
mircea_popescu: trinque: these "key value stores" are a joke << you don't understand the power ranger power range!
jurov: PeterL: asciilifeform's email had about hundred lines. if you make me a code that can unwrap them right in polynomial time...
assbot: You can earn $13,000 a year selling your poop - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/18KhJUR )
punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/01/29/you-can-earn-13000-a-year-selling-your-poop/
coderwill: that's an interesting question - I would say yes, but that I debate whether or not that is actually English or a regionalism
coderwill: hehe, I know a few latin americans that might disagree w/ that sentiment.
PeterL: re generating seedlist: once conected, the node has a list of working connections, yes? So dump some data from our working nodes into a file, that is our new seedlist for new nodes. Update periodically for people to grab from Foundation website.
chetty: email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :)
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 05:11:42; trinque: should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork?
jurov: i have found this but it won't work with short key ids: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4/json
jurov: kakobrekla: is there a database? or any way to query http://w.b-a.link by keyid?
punkman: (actually says "Goodbye", not translated, with a somewhat american accent)
cazalla: i dunno, "goodbye" sounds a bit prophetic, i'd be getting the tinfoil hat and shotty, parachute at the ready
punkman: granted, I'm not in drone country and the paranoia feels a couple decades early.
punkman: there's this robocaller that waits for me to pick up the phone and say something, pauses for a short time, then says "Goodbye" and hangs up.
asciilifeform: jurov: without so much as a burp.
asciilifeform: jurov: i post a mega-study of phoundation's nodes and your turdatron swallows it
trinque: they can discuss how best to attach bitcoin to the side of a sinking ship
fluffypony: at least when they "invent" a new database they can invent silly architecture without caring about cryptography...the amount of retarded cryptography in the altcoin space is scary
trinque: "inventing" a new "database" is just like farting out an altcoin these days
mod6: i guess maybe one other time it ran a long time like this until it ran out of memory and blew its brains out
fluffypony: "but WaffleDB is so much faster than mysql!" - which is a great argument if you're counting pageviews or storing log entries
trinque: lets not invent a database poorly as part of the problem
fluffypony: trinque: the worst is when they create a "fast, distributed key-value store" and then a couple of years later they get pressured into adding "fully atomic transactions" which ends up needing consistency, and so that becomes "full ACID support", and then fast-forward a few years and you have them inventing a "SQL-like query language"
trinque: turns out a lot of the code we wrap these kv stores in looks a lot like shitty constraints, shitty transactions, shitty referential integrity, etc
trinque: now I understand why some idiot did a "crypto coin in couchdb"
trinque: should I be de-publishing things that ended up timestamped on a dropped fork? ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: chisel is not simply a very thin and unpleasant hammer.
trinque: these "key value stores" are a joke
trinque settles in for a few hours of deedbot hacking
mod6: this is strange, last like 5-6 times i got wedged at 168,000 it errored out pretty quickly (like the snippit in the matrix doc), but now, taking a good while...
asciilifeform: decimation: turdatron is a central point of failure
mircea_popescu: an' with that, i bid you a good night!
mircea_popescu: think about it : if it won't be easy to keep track of ips it follows it's no longer a chokepoint.
decimation: even if we want to start a backbone of little pogos, it won't be easy to keep track of ips
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: outside-world addrs will not spontaneously appear in a cliquegraph
asciilifeform: but presumably we aren't trying to build a closed parallel universe
assbot: Meta-metastasis, or how a dancing shark jumped the shark. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/16p47gY )
pete_dushenski: scoop for superbowl viewers at home: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/03/meta-metastasis-or-how-a-dancing-shark-jumped-the-shark/
mircea_popescu: the solution is perfectly there. here's the hole. here's a peg you may put in there. or else stick your own cock or a bottle of coke
asciilifeform is a firm student of 'the best machine is no machine' and like the solution of not even having a solution to the 'what seeds' thing
mircea_popescu: the fact that someone has a port open matters about as much as the fact someone scribbled something on github/wikipedia/we
asciilifeform: to backtrack, my earlier suggestion was to ship them with a basic list (a few hundred addrs)
mircea_popescu: if you buy a coffee grinder it does not work out of the box unless pre-filled with beans ?!
decimation: should the nodes ship with a 'cannon' blockchain?
asciilifeform: decimation: that needs a blockchain!
asciilifeform: say i were to prepare a crate of pogos today
asciilifeform: and introduces a central point of choke
mircea_popescu: sure, but a scientific enterprise in no way related to generating seedlists.
asciilifeform: but that it be performed, now and again, as a scientific enterprise
asciilifeform did not suggest that a node carry out the scan!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how is a portscan sane ?
asciilifeform: whereas normal people are stuck wondering how many public btc nodes, and afaik there is not a believable public number anywhere
asciilifeform: (proofofwork is not a magical pill against every conceivable form of molestation, only the immediately profitable forms)
asciilifeform: or are we to believe that a protocol carried 100% in cleartext, on unique tcp port - is not being molested ?
asciilifeform: ^ i would much like to see that mega-portscan happen. it is really the only sane way to generate a proper seedlist.
cazalla: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=AUD&to=USD just jumped off a cliff too lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean after the austrian monarch was deposed ? in a negotiated peace ?
asciilifeform: more courage would have made a difference ?
mircea_popescu: fuck you, you're a nail. whether you drive or bend, you're getting hit.
mircea_popescu: you see a nail go "don't hit me unless i actually go in the wall" ?
asciilifeform: sitting on a sharpened pine tree fsckinghurts
asciilifeform: same reason a fella sitting on the stake 'bitches'
asciilifeform: how many folks in usa can survive a month w/out 'business as usual' (mains, fuel, water, just-in-time deliveries to local 'food' shops)
asciilifeform: usa is a proverbial 'glass house'
mircea_popescu: decimation you see the difference between being king and being, allegedly, a nation ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rebellion thing is not a cowardice problem as such but actually a byzantine generals problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever have a ru physics textbook with the jumping chinese example ?
mircea_popescu: then it can be a "but i dun want to" and everyone can go home happy.
asciilifeform: are there even half a million in north a.
asciilifeform: half a million people shoot half a million cops << lol
mircea_popescu: so what's the problem, if half a million people shoot half a million cops, they're going to build you a special country club and keep you there with all your friends ?