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mircea_popescu: well
then, so
they'll be sitting in whatever pen and fuck
them,
they get no name and no voice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, it's not clear. being elite is
the point. people generallty don't want
to find out iuf
they are or
they aren't, and it slows down with age.
mircea_popescu: phf depends
though. reagan usa was very much unlike clinton+ usa.
phf: well,
that's
true, but
that goes for moving
to u.s. in general :p
mircea_popescu: only place where someone will pay good money
to you know, have somebody operate on him in
the back of a
truck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually us has
the largest black medical services market of any place with pretense of civilisation i ever saw. and ALWAYUS DID
mircea_popescu: and underutilized elite "i'm a nigger stomper, but '''we just don't do
that in my country'''"will find
their actual useful levbel.
phf: obviously "i was a surgeon back in my country!1" doesn't ever
translate, but ~surgeons~ will easily find
their place amongst other countries surgeons
mircea_popescu: whole fucking 1990s fiction is ALL ABOUT
this, "holy shit mom, i
thought i was a
type,
turns out reality's untyped!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there's no elite
that attaches
to "the attaining of full professorship".
this is
the problem here,
the statal parasitizing of
the notion of elite.
phf: i
think
that's kind of "fact"
that all cab drivers like
to
talk about
mircea_popescu: what
there isn't, are any slots for
the aspie 14%
to wannabe-elite on
the basis of other people's processes, goods and etc.
mircea_popescu: this is an iffier point. i didn't meet
that many altogether. moreover, i didn't discount
the "friend of a friend" stories out of hand.
phf: me and asciilifeform have respective selection biases. i don't know any russian professor cab drivers, but plenty of NIH department heads, doing
their half science half politikin on
the new
territory. presumably
there's also a world of russian escapees who are driving cabs,
that i'm just not connected
to
mircea_popescu: twas supposed
to impress
the sheiks, 99% of all it was good for. as you can see
the problem remains even
today, in exactly same
terms.
mircea_popescu: it was ~same as short fat dude in 2nd hs year will pay strippers
to come hang out with him in
the cafeteria.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the functioning of soviet economy was not in any sense different.
they'd just steal inventions outright, w/e.
mircea_popescu: what
target countries value ideologically is uninteresting. but what
they value on
the sane basis of valuation, can't be ignored. so if you mix "the french really liked ukr chicks" in
there we'll have
to distinguish what does "the french" mean, ie, what portion
they like because
them bitches can suck a golf ball
through a garden hose and what portion because
they read in paris match
that
they should.
phf: i don't know any properly soviet bureaucrats who are not also licking ass
the same way
they were doing it in soviet union, for peanuts. people
that i'm
talking about escaped, or left in
the early 90s, and didn't have any problems going from one closed research institute soviet side
to an equivalent u.s. side.
mircea_popescu: phf we are judging elite on
the strength of action rather
than ideology. properly-fat-female is elite because can fuck. properly-soviet-bureaucrat is not elite because can not do jack shit.
phf: people who ~escaped~ from oboronka, back when it still meant something in
the early 80s, say, were granted a perceived elite status in u.s. i don't know anyone with
that connection who's sweeping floors at mcgrooders, but plently of "NII engineers"
phf: well, but
these people aren't escaping into
tmsr/pashtun. are we judging elite from our perspective, or what
their respective
target countries considered elite?
mircea_popescu: but usistani "best anthropologist of his generation" is no kind of elite. only elite
there is kardashian, because ass.
mircea_popescu: this is
the sad result of following dumbass ideology (ie, socialism) past its halfway point -- you become -value, notwithstanding in saner context you'd have been +value and
thereby some kind of elite.
phf: fwiw,
the reason it's friend of a friend, is because su was good at compartmentalization. my grandparents didn't
talk about ~anything~ at all at home (and still warned my mom
to never
talk about anything she hears at home) until after
the collapse
mircea_popescu: phf
the point you're not seeing because it's so unexpected and i didn't make it specifically was
that
the definition of elite scales with society. elite is "who has objective value". in late soviet, much like in late usg reich,
the strippers were
the elite
mircea_popescu: he DID get free education yes ? usg still wants you
to pay college debt even if you leave.
phf: mircea_popescu: i
thought "elites" were under
the discussion, but yeah, we went in
the direction of females
mircea_popescu: now portion of
this is also defensive, and should be separated. some dudes leaving left with actual goods. some might have and
the soviet accountancy was slightly worse
than us,
they couldn't quite figure it exactly.
phf: asciilifeform: family conversations in
the 90s, and
this is
the case of "elites" leaving. grandfather at some point was under investigation, because someone in his department defected, but immediate colleagues sacked, wife arrested and imprisoned.
this is oboronka
though
mircea_popescu: re later, nobody fucking bothered
to pay room and board for some idle schmuck
that was
too dumb
to leave himself in
the first place. re former, of fucking course
they kept pretending
to importance for a day or
two, it's what statal socialism is built out of :
the organised pretense
to importance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you
two are perhaps confusing arrests "would you please come with us" -> dumbass questioning insistently repeated with jailings "you will sit in
this room for 12 years".
mircea_popescu: anyway,
that's
the canonical borderline sleeve
transactional outpour, "i cant/couldnt" (age dependent) "study/work/move/whatever because son/husband/father/baby jesus on stick needed me not
to".
phf: asciilifeform:
that's not
true, re no arrests, and
there's a lot of creative variations on "sacked from sugary professorships"
mircea_popescu: the whole "expectation"
thread linked recently is amusingly on point.
mircea_popescu: not "fuck relatives",
though
that's what dumb female would pretend was said ; not "this doesn't happen",
though
that's what castrated "allies" might pretend was said. simply "the responsibility for living in jail attaches
to each individual liver individually. old relative should have fucking known better
than
to be
there, and shouldn't expect other-people
to put out his clothes just because he likes sitting down on
the going
mircea_popescu: in a sense
that "mutual responsibility" is never a genuine concern, but out and out fraternizing with
the enemy.
phf: in a sense
that fuck relatives, or in a sense
that arrest of
the escapee relatives was not a
thing?
mircea_popescu: phf
the specific phrasing of protective female bullshit (PFB) is studied in a different discipline, but sure.
phf: to be fair i heard
that one as "i didn't get out, because knew for a fact
that $old-relative will get in
trouble"
mircea_popescu: the fact
that elites failed
to defect is a very sad
testament on
the structurally broken in
the head nature of postmodern elites. something we know as jwz-ism
today, but has preexisted jwz.
mircea_popescu: and i dunno re planets, but on mine ~everyone with any market value had >1 opportunities
to gtfo.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 15:01 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667079 << i'd like
to visit
the parallel universe
this was posted from. in mine,
the sov folx happily moved
to 'civilized west', where
to enjoy driving cabs ( rather
than, say,
the valhalla depicted in
the bootleg vhs
tapes )
phf: americans have been
trained on
the whole iron curtain vs
the free world narrative. so now any place
that's politically disagreeable is seen as potentially behind iron curtain
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 03:56 mircea_popescu: you know ? dumbass soviets were like
this, and
then once
the 80s were over and shitholistan moved
to arab world,
they were like
that in
the 90s.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 03:42 ben_vulpes: heh, friends have been whining, "what if you can't come back!!!1" without ever once considering
the corrolary "what if you can't get out?"
shinohai: BingoBoingo was right, it's a snore. On
to other
things. >.>
mod6: how goes
the popcorn?
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Prolly best
to instead do a seperate headline for each story
shinohai: (Cheers
to
the fellow
that
thought storing 3 BTC and 55 LTC on Conbase was great idea)
shinohai: That's what I want
to see, his bumbling over
the whole
thing and butthurt.
BingoBoingo: And
testimony so centered on internal monologue is worthless, because how
the fuck is
the other person supposd
to know?
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later
tell whaack I received
tu grabacion and will send back suggestions later
today.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu | ooo and in other news,
turkish parliament approves
turkish army depoloyment in qatar. << at least someone in fiat isn't afraid
to get
their hands dirty.
BingoBoingo: Oh
there seems
to be class for everything at dakar. Unimogs, bikes, rail
trains, deckless lawnmowers
BingoBoingo: Most unimogs have less hp
than riding lawnmower
BingoBoingo: Not really enough
torque
to wear armor or carry hamplanets
BingoBoingo: Ah, I would have expected a Unimog given
the
terrain description
mircea_popescu: "Strict and firm action will be
taken against anyone who shows sympathy or any form of bias
towards Qatar, or against anyone who objects
to
the position of
the United Arab Emirates, whether it be
through
the means of social media, or any
type of written, visual or verbal form," Gulf News quoted UAE Attorney-General Hamad Saif al-Shamsi as saying. << bwahahaha check out
the us lap dogs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually i don't
think i ever bought a non-german car.
ben_vulpes: i still gotta read
through
that, mircea_popescu