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sina: mircea_popescu: if you look at
the line above for "MP kicks ass!" from your PHP impl
ben_vulpes: at sixty four bits and hashing
the character a.
ben_vulpes: fwiw with
that change it *now* matches
the output of my implementation.
sina: if not, I need
to update
the python one
too
sina: because
the format string used drops
the leading 0
ben_vulpes: i mean i don't really know what you're getting at, but why is
the length of
the bit array resulting from eating a single char 7 and not 8
ben_vulpes: yes but why is
the length of
the array of bits seven and not eight
sina: so when I was building it, I was
trying
to match
the "MP kicks ass!" output, which starts with a 1 in
the example (and IIRC when I did it in python)...
the original string I had was printing a leading 0
ben_vulpes: naively, i'd expect
that
to be [0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
ben_vulpes: just running fmt.Print(M) downstream of
the
toBinArray call
ben_vulpes: getting odd results when i do some baseline poking, a message of "a" prints a
toBinArray value of [1 1 0 0 0 0 1]
sina: that and dependency management are
the
two weakpoints of golang I feel
sina: I just find it really annoying
the way
they do it
sina: you need
to set a GOPATH variable, e.g export GOPATH=~/Development/go and
then clone
the repo
to $GOPATH/src/github.com/sinner-/mpfhf-golang
sina: last I looked it was missing a bunch of
the code
sina: ben_vulpes: sorry I don't
think it pasted right
ben_vulpes: oh hm repo has something entirely different from
trilema
ben_vulpes: they're not errors in copying,
they're built in
tests of
the copier!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yah but why make another slut, just reuse
the extant one lel
ben_vulpes: in re candi_lustt, i'll point out
that anyone in l2 could
trivially reproduce her elsewhere, if phf's examples didn't drive
the point home
trinque: sina: it does in
that nothing stops you from copying
the wot sexp at an interval, doing whatever
things your castle likes doing with
the output
sina: so does it federate
trinque?
sina: "maybe deedbot does something similar
to what I was
thinking"
sina: see
this was
the original source of my questioning
mircea_popescu: in fact, deedbot was intended
to be federated from
the get go... or in fact no.
the item deedbot replaced because
the operator got syphilis (ie, assbot) was created specifically because failure of previous item (operator
travelled unexpectedly,
thing went down --
tis all in
the logs) and was intended
to be federated from
the get-go
sina: sorry,
that was just me
trying
to
troll you
mircea_popescu: sina and if it becomes an issue, it can be logified.
the logger was originally single item you know.
mircea_popescu: unlike
the github cathedral-of-garbage-built-by-anonyous-rats-randomly-ambling about,
there's actual people in charge which means
the buck always stops somewhere. so it's not exactly "bug reports", it's more in
the vein of "and here's your summons
to parliament"
sina: trinque: you might not have
the specific form of syphilis which induces number diddling, but can you protect against... COSMIC RAYS
mircea_popescu: or when candi lust was made, or when absolutely anything else
tmsr-happened.
mircea_popescu: it's really not so different from yest when you and ben_vulpes were working on
the mpfhf.
sina: no offense meant
trinque, just a hypothetical
trinque: meanwhile sina, you get
to discover whether
there are such folks in
the world as can maintain a db of numbers without diddling
them...
to
think!
trinque: this,
to someone with a brain, is ample incentive
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 02:13 mircea_popescu: but anyway -- if he modified
them himself he gets
to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
sina: that reminds me I need
to eat food
mircea_popescu: (and yes "multiculturalism" is
the cheapo excuse of lazy stupid people
to not have an actual culture ; much like "the convenience" of fast food is
the excuse inept housewives use
to not work
the kitchen.)
mircea_popescu: the expectation
that if you listen in a conversation of people you don't know you'll nevertheless be able
to discern what is being said is pretty much
THE
thing distinguishing
the esl anglotard from actual
thinking people with a functioning head and part of a culture etc.
mircea_popescu: "oh but he said nigger 85
times!!" "yes but he just uses
that
to denote
tomatoes."
mircea_popescu: the reason
textual methods do not work in practice is...
the indirection layer. and so on.
mircea_popescu: thyis is a fractally repeating point :
the reason "social learning" as modelled by redditards doesn't work irl is
the indirection layer.
the reason gossipd is undefeatable in practice is...
the indirection layer.
mircea_popescu: for perfect meta : re
the matter of whether
there is or
there is not substantial disagreement, we aren't yet disagreeing. so far we're just
trying
to come
to
terms.
mircea_popescu: there's a process
to working out a mental image of a
text. it involves inter alia building alternative models.
mircea_popescu: anyway, wasn't my impression
there's substantial disagreement.
mircea_popescu: in fairness it's a large ball of yarn and while it flows splendidly from itself, nevertheless it does flow exactlty opposite
to ~everyone's acculturation in
the soviet empire.
sina: between how you view
those discussions and for example, asciilifeform
sina: although
there seems
to be a huge amount of contention
sina: yes I have been working my way
through
those
mircea_popescu: review
the gossipd discussions,
they're instructive on
the
topic.
mircea_popescu: not really expect anything. people are supposed
to do
their own
thinking for
themselves. but i expect i'd notice if my ratings weren't right.
sina: I
think I asked you
this long ago, but you keep a local copy of
the WoT and expect others
to as well right?
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- if he modified
them himself he gets
to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: exactly opposite of
the imperial certificate bullshit, which is 100% george costanza going "it's
true i did nothing all week, but bear in mind i am in
the smaller office". ie, "can you doctor ?" "no, not rly... but i do have a doctoring CERTIFICATE"
mircea_popescu: the fundamental flaw in your earlier mental process, which is periodically discussed in
the logs, is
that you
try
to
take
trust as an objective.
trust isn't an objective,
the reason i
trust you is because I
TRUST YOU, not because deedbot says i do. and
the ONLY use of
the knowledge
that i
trust you is
that you can ask me about you. nothing else.
sina: lets say
trinque modified it himself because he got syphilis
mircea_popescu: in practice it'd likely look a lot more like hey
trinque wtf is
this, followed by everyone perking up and an answer of some kind being produced and so on.
sina: mircea_popescu: can you walk me
through
the hypothetical example case where you have woken up one morning and decided for some valid reason (e.g. deedbot WoT contents no longer match your local copy)
that deedbot is no longer
trustworthy but urgently want
to enter a rating for me of -10 into
the public record?
BingoBoingo: Anyways,
the problem with cardboard is keeping it painted
mircea_popescu: much like "wouldn't it be cool
to make cars out of cardboard,
they'd be easier
to paint
that way" misses
the whole car
thing
mircea_popescu: i
think
the idea discusses an item not related
to
the actual item.
sina: reading now, so you
think
the idea contravenes
those principles?
sina: is
that
the deedbot.org/help.html page?
mircea_popescu: did you read an' understand
the "what
the wot is" article ?
sina: because I didn't know, maybe deedbot already does
this kind of
thing
sina: not arguing
this should be done, only relating
the source of my
thoughts which lead
to
the questions
sina: the basis I guess is, substituing
the
trustworthiness of a single bot with a cryptographic chain, being able
to run your own "full node" of
the WoT, which gives access
to secondary/tertiary networks
to participate via a gateway, etc
mircea_popescu: yes, but for
the
things in your head
to be called
thinking,
they must proceed form a basis. what is here
the basis ?
sina: because I sometimes
think
things? :P
sina: the reason I ask is because last night I was
thinking of a more coin style WoT, where everyone runs a node,
there is an immutable shared log of ratings
mircea_popescu: now,
the formalism for recording
that rating currently in overwhelming use is !!rate.
there is no rule
that
thios must be so. it is currently so for convenience, and because deedbot is
trustworthy. either of
these can change, but
this would affect little :
the party who
trusts you can enter
that
trust into
the public record
through whatever command
sina: not saying
that is good or bad, just asking in
the general capability of
the system
sina: (deedbot being
the root)
sina: um...as in,
the logical
topology of
the WoT is a ...web... but
to join
the web you enter via a
tree structure where
the root is master, and all other nodes are slaves
sina: so (and maybe I am missing
the point), you can't really "run your own node"
sina: but, deedbot doesn't slave
to anything itself?
sina: and I noticed you can ask it for an S-expression of
the entire WoT,
that's cool
sina: so is deedbot
the canonical WoT source?
sina: hey I was going
to ask about WoT
sina: I have a fierce craving for burger
today
sina: I dunno, I feel like it's a bit in
the vein of "winblows"
mircea_popescu: i mean, "i dunno what's with
todd
these days, he keeps fucking all
these latrinas"...
sina: haha yeah, here "down under" is literally burned into
the subconcious
to mean "Australia" so we don't grok
the phrase
the same way
sina: mircea_popescu: haha do I dare ask
the meaning of "anal day"?
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