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asciilifeform: 'if bitcoin dies, our shitcoinz could have a chance!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: their logic, to the extent there is any, is approximately 'nothing grows till the oak hits the ground'
asciilifeform: (the one pushed by the netbsd folks, notably, calls out to... openssl!!111!!!)
asciilifeform: not one.
asciilifeform: mats: to the point, there are ~NO~ usable reimplementations of gpg presently.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249671 << there are none. ☝︎
asciilifeform out to meatspace for a spell
asciilifeform: tenet ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the graph thing is quite essential (and if no one else does it, i will) because it exposes the actual dependency flow
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: antonosika: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered << a less-expensive and altogether more diverting lesson
asciilifeform: mats: cold equations!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: (they gotta be homogeneous, as in following the same dir pattern as in 'genesis', to avoid unnecessary complexity in my proggy)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before you start recreating and signing 'orchestra' patches as well, also see the thread with mod6 where i explain that the paths need adjusting
asciilifeform: antonosika: you have equally valid claim here and in zurich...
asciilifeform: go grab the zurich gold, why pester the x.eur folks
asciilifeform: antonosika: after all, 'payment should take place' and 'only one suggestion', yours
asciilifeform: antonosika: instead of making this argument, go claim the megatonne of gold sitting in zurich since ww2
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if he paid out to a random keyless amoeba, that'd be reason to conclude that he was shot and replaced not even by hitler's agent but by a street dog
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248312 << read from here ☝︎
asciilifeform: or trinque rather
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see earlier thread today with mod6
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: were you awake for that one ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we zapped the timestamps
asciilifeform: antonosika: in what way are you presently distinguishable from an impostor ?
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to use 'git' or some other tardation knows where to find it.
asciilifeform: punkman: but if your alternative involves my signing of machine-generated code chimera, then ~i~ will not like it.
asciilifeform: punkman: you are invited to suggest a plausible alternative.
asciilifeform: punkman: i did not say that i liked it.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov what does your turdatron script do with attached sigs for which the message has no corresponding payload? looks through existing payloads ?
asciilifeform: i do not know whether he does this.
asciilifeform: unless it actually looks for a pre-existing payload and checks against it
asciilifeform: this actually means that it is vulnerable to to shitflooding
asciilifeform: punkman: but apparently jurov's turdatron accepts a standalong sig with no payload..
asciilifeform: punkman: actually you're right, i misread. assumed that the sig in the text is the sig in question
asciilifeform: that it, outside of the ----BEGIN .... ----END...
asciilifeform: punkman: correct, there were extraneous bytes in the linked example.
asciilifeform: punkman: i should not have to munge it.
asciilifeform: punkman: a .sig file should consist wholly of the detached sig
asciilifeform: antonosika: what does it mean, 'if no one claims a future' ?
asciilifeform: nah just tired of retyping it.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can we wire this to !babbage or the like, l0l
asciilifeform: 'I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question!' (tm) (r) (babbage)
asciilifeform: consider posting in other languages.
asciilifeform: spiffy piece btw
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think i get it..
asciilifeform reads..
asciilifeform: iirc that was the biggest
asciilifeform: ^ aha, them too
asciilifeform: (yes, moar complicated, and could - and has - fill a bookcase. but this is the 1line version in my head)
asciilifeform: crash of '29; massive capital misallocations plus natural disasters and misharvests; hordes of paupers demanding to be fed gratis, or failing that, given makework; fdr & co debase currency, make it happen.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i know fdr and co.'s explanation of why they 'had to' confiscate
asciilifeform: of folks who did not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. didn't say 'no one did this', just 'no shortage of sane examples'
asciilifeform: unlike orwell, i don't see totalitarian prison state as automagically flowing from modern tech
asciilifeform: but i don't recall qin zhihuangdi, or peter I, or alexander, prohibiting gold
asciilifeform: inescapably.
asciilifeform: fortunately it is not in my job description! but no shortage of historic examples to choose from..
asciilifeform: which was really just 'fdr gets to do whatever the fuck he wants'
asciilifeform: so did the wickard v filburn
asciilifeform: though now i'm hard-pressed to see how fdr's confiscation of gold is illegitimate under the framework outlined in this thread
asciilifeform: but don't be caught with one on the street, yes.
asciilifeform: (and perhaps even saw it in a museum)
asciilifeform: aha. i think every kid in usa knows of the $1000 bill, for instance.
asciilifeform: (and this happens to be one of the reasons why many folks barf at bitcoin...)
asciilifeform: sorta like if a pauper finds a ring of keys - he doesn't get to own the house and car.
asciilifeform: it makes the subject click in my head.
asciilifeform: the explanation involving cheques/promissory notes was pretty neat
asciilifeform: but i don't have mircea_popescu's intel. only My Arse (tm)
asciilifeform: and also idk, for an empty ballsack it's jizzing pretty well
asciilifeform: idk, i thought 'godspeed to fakers of vermeers' and 'good bilderberg is a dead bilderberg' was pretty clear..?
asciilifeform: do we miss romanovs ?
asciilifeform: like hapsburgs. do we miss'em ?
asciilifeform doesn't object to elites per se (sorta like objecting to gravity) or to hereditary wealth (also rather like objecting to gravity) but arguing for the degeneracy of a particular set of people
asciilifeform: afaik they don't see us at all.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu's intel tells him that the power rangers see us as locust plague, i'll believe him; but from my chair i cannot see this.
asciilifeform: but proposed a hypothesis about whole class here
asciilifeform: apparently not ?
asciilifeform: so 'social media' is a a handcrafted monster of very real elites, rather than a plague of locusts that came out of nowhere
asciilifeform: iirc none did.
asciilifeform: let's try example? the american universities who pioneered socialist claptrap. did they get cut off from endowments by american industrialists for doing so? 1900s
asciilifeform: i still don't see how they could have come to exist in any other way
asciilifeform: nah, the socialmedia folks are enforcers of the actual vampires.
asciilifeform: possibly.
asciilifeform: approximately.
asciilifeform: of everybody-who-isnt-rothchild ?
asciilifeform: and they do indeed peddle false inclusivity at every turn.
asciilifeform: (who said they couldn't have a wot?)
asciilifeform: but it is a wot of vampires of mankind.
asciilifeform: naturally their wot is at work
asciilifeform: not quite best analogy - theoretically a plebe may drill for oil (if the local rulers permit it)
asciilifeform: and i'll have it be known that if i ever come across one, i will burn it. on high-def camera.
asciilifeform: now this is true!
asciilifeform: it is a regular occurrence in usa that some schmuck find $canvas at an estate sale, then cleans it, it gets taken off his hands for a few hundy, and then a blueblood naturally converts it to 40m by getting it WoTed.
asciilifeform: rather than the reality, where it is really a trapping of power, like king's scepter
asciilifeform: one where the lie is publicly told that 'if you have a picasso, it is yours, and you're worth 40m'
asciilifeform: in both cases there is a kind of sham going on
asciilifeform: and also redefined
asciilifeform: and the vermeer was intended as a wall decoration ?