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erlehmann: maybe because
they are not bdsm bazillionaires (re: war)
mircea_popescu: i have no objection : when you beg
the question, you get what you begged for.
erlehmann: though
the syrian
told me
that refugees of both sexes he knows seem
to have
trouble finding partners in sweden
mircea_popescu: erlehmann yes, much like some priestly dude with aspirations
to science interpreted "learning"
to mean something nonsensical.
mircea_popescu: you
think adding
the decimal points might save
the credit card statement
that was in
the red a coupla grand by just adding
the hundreds ?
erlehmann: > <mircea_popescu> so
there's a pretty
thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ?
mircea_popescu: erlehmann what do you mean what do i consider
thorny ?
things
that have
to be approached indirectly, or else.
erlehmann: worst
thing on conference was drunk guy who wanted
to have my contact details after i
told him
that his captive portal will be
truly fucked soon-ish and every other stranger at
the lunch
table agreed.
erlehmann: one of my favourites is
the one with statues you can fuck
erlehmann: mircea_popescu what do you consider
thorny?
erlehmann: punchline: everyone else on
the photo was a very dead fighter.
erlehmann: he
then went on
to “this one wanted
to become a submariner,
this one wanted
to become a war hero” etc. pp.
erlehmann: re fighter/faggot: when my grandfather was still alive, he showed me a photo from before
the second world war. he was
there as a young child with lots of other males.
mircea_popescu: so
there's a pretty
thorny dilema, become a faggot or a fighter ?
they'll despise you anwyay, and you'll lose parts you actually liked anyway, but hey.
mircea_popescu: whereas
the anglo reich notion is
that young shemales are god's gift
to creation.
erlehmann: re agency: i had a
talk with a syrian electrical engineer yesterday. he needed a ride and explained
that mostly young people flee
that conflict because every side sees
them as potential fighters.
that was
the moment where i decided
that
the neo-nazi meme “they wan't our jobs and our women” ascribed way
too much agency
to immigrants.
mircea_popescu: i've yet
to encounter someone who was in power in
the sense of making clothing rules. consider augustus
tried
to get people
to wear
the
toga.
erlehmann: loaded question. probably because of whoever is in power
there
to make
the clothing rules.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann why do you suppose afghani women don't go around
topless ? is it because
twitter hasn't perked up awareness enough yet ?
mircea_popescu: ~the only
thing "socially acceptable sluttines" signifies is small dicks.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, weak male expression will drive
the females
to overactive courtship.
mircea_popescu: generation after generation, pattern repeats because contrary
to what people
thing,
they don't really matter all
that much.
mircea_popescu: i also observed
that 9th graders all agreed sucking cock is very vulgar, only
to agree four years later
that only losers don't eat
the penis.
erlehmann: so maybe
there's no empowerment going on
there, just a slut filter being installed
erlehmann: regarding elective sexual behaviour, i observed people acting slutty if
they know it is a) acceptable socially (i.e.
their friends are doing it) b)
they learn
that it is possible (e.g. non-monogamy)
mircea_popescu: all
the way down
to
the little guy, preteding raw reality vomit unfiltered and uncomprehended is "his life experience"
mircea_popescu: but
the fundamental problem is
that it, characteristically, pretends
there's 0 indirection layers.
erlehmann: well,
that would be one critique for
the quota/empowerment
thingy (would you say “quotatron”?): a
theater for persons with characteristics might end up with persons
that exhibits
the characteristics, without changing something about society.
mircea_popescu: and obviously
this all
ties directly into my blasting of
the whole "Social learning" lulz on
trilema and here recently, if you've been following
that.
erlehmann: i see where you are going with
this
mircea_popescu: leaving
the
theory aside, from actual, observed practice --
the muppets don't conform
to
their neighbours, but are conformed
to
their neighbours. by
the muppet owners, yes.
mircea_popescu: and why would you ascribe agency
to
the average muppet ?
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i get
the car analogy. i would not ascribe agency
to
the car,
therefore i might at best assume
that car owners conform
to
their neighbours.
erlehmann: not sure if
this can be called conforming
erlehmann: > We analysed
time series of lizard scale colour dynamics over four years of
their development and demonstrate
that
this pattern is produced by a cellular automaton (a grid of elements whose states are iterated according
to a set of rules based on
the states of neighbouring elements)
that dynamically computes
the colour states of individual mesoscopic skin scales
to produce
the corresponding macroscopic colour pattern.
mircea_popescu: alright. if you observe a parking lot, and see
there are a lot of similar
tubs on wheels
there, do you expect
the cars conform
to
their neighbours ?
erlehmann: i do not feel confident enough in my knowledge about biology
to be able
to answer
that one.
mircea_popescu: do cells conform
to
their peers regarding genotype expression ?
erlehmann: i guess were chatting about people conforming
to
their peers regarding elective behaviour. i
think most do. if i understood you correctly, you do not share
that opinion.
mircea_popescu: about something. originally
this started by you making a comment and me asking
to sync first.
mircea_popescu: ie : just because lincoln destroyed
the republic under
the pretext of "destroying
the ghetto" does not mean
there's no more ghetto. slaves are slaves, men are men.
the republic is in shambles,
that's it.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann exactly. so now,
that's
the source of
the whole "get married - grow
two inches" mockeries.
mircea_popescu: whenever you hire, you hire "one of
the guys
that could be hired", NOT "one of
the guys
that showed up under
the apparent hallucinatory notion
that
they could be hired".
erlehmann: even more hilarious when companies narrow pool
through “must live in SF”
mircea_popescu: consider
there are one hundred companies, just like mine. consider
that whenever one of our widget licker leaves one company, another one hires him. consider
that
there's 99 idle fucktards who aren't qualified
to drive, who also show up EVERY
TIME, but are never selected.
erlehmann: failing
to see
the difference between “best who applied” and “best in industry” → back
to logic school
erlehmann: i know
this “we hire only
the best” meme and would consider it dishonest, but maybe acceptable if used as idiot gauge.
mircea_popescu: but you are right on
the subsidiary point,
trilema is essentially a queer zine for
the 1%.
mircea_popescu: would it be fair for me
to go before
the shareholders and say, "our company employs
the
top of
the
top in widget lickers, only
the first percentile ever make it in" ?
mircea_popescu: suppose i own a company, as i happen
to. suppose
this company employs one hundred widget lickers, as it doesn't. suppose one day one widget licker dies, and i advertise
the open position. suppose one hundred candidates present
themselves, and one is selected. suppose
this happens a few
times over a year, and over
the years.
erlehmann: i read
the airplane
text. i like it, actually.
tits-in-dirt accounting, breast-fixated fuckwits, slutty statistics –
that
text might fit into any queer zine for all
the wrong reasons.
erlehmann: i just automated parts of it,
that is why it
took some
time
mircea_popescu: erlehmann say !!up in pm
to deedbot,
then say !!v ah
there you go.
mircea_popescu: say when you've read it and we continue
the discussion of statistics, correlation, causation, proofs and so on. it's certainly a conversation worth having.
erlehmann: probably not. i have no idea what you are referring
to right now.
mircea_popescu: yes. but first, you ever read for instance
the story of
the airplanes ?
erlehmann: i see stuff like
that everywhere. might be confirmation bias,
though.
mircea_popescu: why would one support other people if
they DIDNT consider
them some kind of
toys ?
mircea_popescu: erlehmann you said "people do because peers do". i do not see any grounds for
the proposed causation.
erlehmann: why would one want
to support other people if considering
them fucktoys?
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i have problems parsing “i do not credit
this because one whit.”
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i
think i have a story about a plumber. supported a buncha
them.
mircea_popescu: i do not credit
this because one whit. what proof do you have
to support
the notion ?
erlehmann: people often elect
to do stupid shit because
their peers do it. if a person during 1990ies looks like a member of
the
trenchcoat mafia on stock photos it is entirely possible
that
they came up with it independently. very unlikely,
though.
mircea_popescu: it's actually
twice as good as any collegiate bullshit of
the "Criminology" ilk, in
the sense
that a welder can support a fucktoy, but
two "college degreed" nobodies can barely afford a cat. if
they scrounge.
mircea_popescu: the % part, not
the redditardesque interpretation
thereof.
there's nothing just or injust about % distributions of elective behaviours.
erlehmann: but also: writer had no idea
that welding was a good career option
erlehmann: note “It’s estimated
that only 5% of welders in
the U.S. are women.”
mircea_popescu: stuff should have been done in junior high,
that's why it's even
there.
erlehmann: it actually
turns me off if people instead of saying “no” outright start
to
tell a story about
their issues i might or might not want
to hear (even if
true)
erlehmann: so for example a women came up
to me and asked “can i smack your ass?”. i consented, she did just
that. when i asked, if i can do
the same
to me, she declined. a weird moment occurred when she
told me a few moments later
that she only declined because she wanted
to practice saying no.
mircea_popescu: "gee, you sound exactly like
the other fifty schmucks. don't
they have men where you're from ?"
mircea_popescu: if i were a woman, i'd be seriously put off by some dude who wanted
to give me anal fissures and isntead of fucking asking me about it, recited some recipe he had found online / at some conference / whatever
the fuck.