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BingoBoingo: In an update to last night's mess, apparently the kids in addition to the Navy bus busted up
a bunch of street parked cars
a couple blocks from me.
BingoBoingo: And shit's gone to
a "technical tie." Either this is news derps trying to goose their ratings or the Left is trying to steal the election.
BingoBoingo: So many fireworks. only
a couple car alarms.
BingoBoingo: Last night's crowd was
a dense collection of bipeds with
a headcount that easily exceeded the entire naval manpower of Uruguay, but... they didn't have any energy at all.
BingoBoingo: Around this time last year was when they started having motorcycle naval infantry start escorting the prefectura trucks to put on
a show for tourists or whatever. Why the bus didn't get motorcycle marines is also
a mystery.
BingoBoingo: Why they don't just cart them around in the back of the Prefectura Naval pickup trucks is
a mystery to me.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, there's the occasional gem in there, you know, "oh, five bucks is way too much for
a coin' "selling 200 btc" etc
BingoBoingo: Once it clicked though,
a nice solid stream of content once locked into
a legacy format entered the format of the future.
mircea_popescu: annoying as fuck for
a coupla days, but other than that... yeah.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, just
a lengthy pile of fiddling and whatnot, the way these format conversions usually go.
mircea_popescu: in other news, it took me 18 reloads to hit on
a log article in the random trilema rotation. considering there's ~1500 of the damn things, puts its immensity well in perspective.
ossabot: (eulora) 2019-11-24 mircea_popescu: "the more insane drivel I read from proponents of Free Software and Open Source, the more convinced I am that this once noble movement will go away and not even become
a footnote in the history of mankind when their real goal has been achieved: the destruction of Microsoft."
diana_coman: and there's
a quite minimal version that I used to install without any trouble really.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-22 21:16:09 BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has
a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used
mircea_popescu: i guess this is
a point, not so much walled gardens as padded reservations.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Right. And this triad is
a substantial narrowing from back in the day when Macromedia/Adobe Flash/shockwave were... different things. Microsoft shat out
a .Net/Silverlight/etc every other year, etc
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 06:43:55 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that "special purpose os" is
a contorted circumlocution for "an app". it futher seems to me that the proposition "hey, you know how to do the thing we don't know how to do ? let's do what we know how to do instead and call it good!" is fundamentally weak, ethically (ie, that it's not driven by anything but convenience) ; and that the "make your os for
a purpose" thing is undistinguishable from it
hanbot: well it's certainly grown in terms of needlessly complex stupidity and cosmetic optionality devoid of substantial difference. it can't grow if nobody remembers what it's for and why it goes
a certain way, except for
a scant few with entirely other sets of problems.
hanbot: for which the above is
a useful lesson.
hanbot: anyway nicoleci is on
a semi-public toilet sorta scheme, iirc, as she works towards understanding why she'd rather not be
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has
a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, ah okay - will check it out. my knowledge of what makes
a proper os is still very noobish.
BingoBoingo: Every linux/bsd/etc I've run it on top of works with
a minimum of fiddling.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: Or for picking the flavor with Gnome as the desktop. The gnome folks drive much of the "linux gets worse every year" mess that makes
a tmsr os rather high on the list of necessities.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: You probably can't afford the time to go full on ascetic putting together
a "cleanest" possible linux, but the first couple things that popped up when I looked for "What causes this awful error" were all gnome related.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: You've got desktop weird intruding on your workflow. There's
a helper program that was trying to be "smart" for you.
mircea_popescu: hanbot,
a dog will agree with on the basis of how much he likes you, not on the basis of what you're saying.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: in any case, tonight I plan to throw together
a quick article of my notes
mircea_popescu: in other wtf, awk does not have
a native date increment ; people do insane shit like awk -F"\",\"" '{cmd="date -d \"$(date -d \""$0"\")+10days\" \"+%Y-%m-%d %T\"";cmd | getline datum; close(cmd); print $0 ",\""datum"\""}' test.csv > test-increment-10days.csv
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 06:42:27 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is :
a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
trinque: the thing I was doing with deedbot was getting
a ticket tracker together so this could actually be managed
trinque: mircea_popescu: it was
a little over one week ago I discussed with you wtf you even want re: ^
trinque: to say nothing of the actual economics of producing and maintaining such
a complex item.
hanbot: s such
a thing as general reason, the role of people towards machines being the translation between the two, in the first place.
hanbot: i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have
a manifest of ideals and ideas in there, as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for
a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have
a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing as general purpose, but there i
hanbot: inasmuch as you can't ever completely specify the future, an attempt to state the purpose of an operating system is doomed to fail either by getting something wrong, or by self-limiting solely for the sake of avoiding the first failure prong. i don't see
a third path. if honestly all you wanted the os to do was peel eggs you'd make an egg peeler application, not
a kitchen; an "egg peeler os" is the second failure prong, even if it's gloriously fr
diana_coman: if I'm to see it as "os for
a purpose", then I go full way and it's really machine-for-
a-purpose, from hardware up, everything; basically there is no universal computer at all in reality, only various degrees of trying to fit an average (at best) to all sorts of outliers.
diana_coman: hm, I had to read that quite
a few times to stop mixing app and os and getting confused there; I tend to think that the OS should not attempt to "for
a purpose" mainly because
a. still can't know it in advance and no matter how one defines it, in time it will diverge from what's needed and here we go again b. I think the hardware is more of
a cause to start from. I went and re-read also spyked's previous attempts at ...
mircea_popescu: it seems to me that "special purpose os" is
a contorted circumlocution for "an app". it futher seems to me that the proposition "hey, you know how to do the thing we don't know how to do ? let's do what we know how to do instead and call it good!" is fundamentally weak, ethically (ie, that it's not driven by anything but convenience) ; and that the "make your os for
a purpose" thing is undistinguishable from it.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is :
a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in important policy discussions : i've been thinking about
bvt's theory, and while i can't say i'm done thinking nor much hope to ever be, here's
a major problem i encounter :
diana_coman: but maybe this is
a better plan! move my ip every few months and watch people find me!!!
diana_coman: yeah & lots more imaginary to it but ...it's
a lot to hit him with in first 5 minutes anyway
diana_coman: I tried to talk to him
a bit but I have no idea how much got through
mircea_popescu: lol poor guy. why the fuck does he think
a domain does anything
mircea_popescu: trinque, looky here, i have
a job that needs done and
a bunch of people who are interested in helpinh with it. for the past month i've been considering you to run the doing, however as i sit here i still don't know if you are or are not going to. you've not yet put out
a plan for it, you've not said if you will, you've not set
a date for it, you're just making occasional, impredictable and ~useless drive-bys
diana_coman: I've moved ossasepia.com to 85.25.134.66 where I hope it will stay for longer really; please update hosts files accordingly and sorry for the repeated moves; I've updated DNS records too but those might take
a while, as they do.
diana_coman: by now I start thinking it would be
a lot of fun to write this sort of thing in purely religious terms because it fits so well really.
mircea_popescu: also you should probably replace the current <table> with
a <table width=x"> where x is the implicid content column width for the blog, eg on trilema 560
mircea_popescu: of course dude gives me
a very romanian "intellectual" vibe tbh.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's
a concept from game theory, mosty as an cybernetics application, because people writing programs to power droid fights or whatever need to put something in the if statements, and that something's better be
a scalar. this makes no particular sense besides serving that need, and so it became
a tongue in cheek reference for "if one had to assign arbitrary scalar values to so and so thing"
spyked: ave1, afaik the term is game-theoretical, i.e. given some "game" scenario involving partial information, where the agent can receive some payoff depending on its actions, it can in principle evaluate an "expected" payoff for some particular actions. since the info is partial, I'm reading "expected" here as "the most likely to occur". but I'd be curious to see
a formal definition as well.
lobbes: I'm going to let it run during the night and will hopefully wake up to 4 years of #t logs in
a blog. Feel free to poke at it and lemme know if you'd like any tweaks/edits
BingoBoingo: ^Time period this particular pest operated is
a bit interesting. August 2015 - November 2017...
mircea_popescu: i understand the abstract appeal of, "look here, hash1=hash2". but what this means is things such as "it is not possible to have
a timestamp. AT ALL." sure, in many cases timestamps are abused / fucking stupid. but this is not "many cases", this is AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear to me, to take this as far in theory as it goes, that once we have
a literal by-hand re-written compiler it'll be absolutely deterministic. at some point it becomes
a question of "branch binaries by X or carry Y spare MB with each binary"
trinque: even
a bit of analysis in that direction would be super userful.
mircea_popescu: as to fixed binary output...i expect that'll take
a whole lot of doing, there's mucho "intelligence" baked in even that comparatively early gcc ver
mircea_popescu: ave1, probably some selection of the build scripts is
a good idea. even if we end up changing them later, afaik for all the hate nobody builds shit any other way atm
trinque: right now I've already got
a musltronic gcc, so what'd make me care very much about yours is ^
ave1: As for current status, I have
a big patch file that works as part of the build scripts. So the genesis is feasible. I could also put the build scripts (and other dependencies) in the genesis but this would need to be discussed in light of the OS setup.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 14:02:37 ave1: Before or after genesis. In past for other packages this has been 'before'. But it would help to not carry around
a number of mb in the genesis.
ave1: Before or after genesis. In past for other packages this has been 'before'. But it would help to not carry around
a number of mb in the genesis.
BingoBoingo: I don't expect GCC is even the place folks would want to run these languages if they were nintendo-izing, but I do wonder how much of
a rats nest gcc is.
BingoBoingo: ave1: Ah. Are the languages separated enough that an arrangement like ave1 signs
a remove-java.vpatch and in the odd case someone wants to turn their system into
a nintendo they can do
a nintendoist signs
a dead end restore java.vpatch? Or are the langs far too intermingled for these cuts to be some clean.
BingoBoingo suspects it may be
a bit early to cut entire languages out, but... this is not an area I'm very informed in.
diana_coman: heh, now it has
a conclusion! but gah, it ate my html!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, apparently i originally published an earlier draft ; early birds might enjoy
a re-read.
mircea_popescu: dorion, turns out i needed
a coupla fail tries before i could produce
a lierate comment ; plox delete them
mircea_popescu: they got
a list of like 5 things, and god help you if you're trying to find something
other than that. hey diana_coman, what's your article with the woman's difficulties, (sexy, smart) pick one ?
diana_coman: ftr I asked him to publish that precisely as
a prerequisite to come and ask for feedback & help to grow it, that's all.