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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll add a third
gabriel_laddel: Is he here in #b-a? No.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gabriel_laddel i just parsed it as "a weird way to say mountebanks"
ben_vulpes goes to buy a bottle of wine to fuel the ruby rage
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage << a good eighth of my time is spent talking smart young guys down out of a shartup-inspired rage attack
mircea_popescu: whether most women in x population are more like californians or saudis has nothing to do wit ha cunt being a cunt.
asciilifeform: for the structural reason of preferring their familiar private kitchens to a sewer hatchway
mircea_popescu: "the education which gives a man a clear conscious view of his own opinions and judgments, a truth in developing them, an eloquence in expressing them, and a force in urging them. It teaches him to see things as they are, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant."
gabriel_laddel: Eh, I read his startup notes, he has a brain.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel or what they are. or how to look for them. essentially he's a girl that'd like to fuck but never heard of clothes, or make-up or going out.
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that it is possible to give him a heuristic good enough that he can ditch 'r-strategy' and go with 'k-strategy', to use the zoologist's terms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the idea wasn't that, but to educate thiel so he's less of a schmuck.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:05:50; gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
gabriel_laddel: 4) perhaps the fault lies with those attempting to peruse basic science, for not giving him a heuristic
asciilifeform: and he hasn't a prayer, and knows it
mircea_popescu: but thiel wants web2.0 not a new nuke.
asciilifeform: but then he'd actually need a proper heuristic for choosing his 'soldiers'
gabriel_laddel: A summary of my points. 1) there are some people attempting to fund basic science 2) I don't agree with all of their funding decisions 3) this isn't the first instance of this occuring in history
asciilifeform: 100k buys half a garage where i live
asciilifeform: (can you name, off the top of your head, a single person who was given the prize - which is intended to set promising young thinkers free from workslavery) who amounted to anything ?
asciilifeform: except for a vague 'flavour' of 'up&coming young'
gabriel_laddel: ^ here is a blog I've not gotten around to reading yet
asciilifeform: in the same sense as the base of a tower is the point maximally far from its tip.
gabriel_laddel: (conceptually basic, atoms and the like, or basic in the sense of a starting point that is eventually abandoned, e.g., alchemy)
ben_vulpes checks to see if a > 1mb block is floating around
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 23:06:12; asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
gabriel_laddel: can you predict exactly what a WoT enabled world will look like? ☟︎
asciilifeform: which was known for a rather long time prior to becoming an industrial product ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange" ☟︎
asciilifeform: fact is, 'basic science' is -ev when viewed through the lens of a typical human lifespan
asciilifeform: and why they might like to throw it into a strongly -ev pit
mircea_popescu: as if. but somehow, a billion idiots picked this bit of shoeshiner's philosophy as their foundational line.
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason i don't live in "civilised" shitholes. i can taste their "feasts of engineering".
decimation: hair. But a range of new-wave yeast extracts is increasingly replacing E910. "
decimation: "The strapline for a product called Butter Buds®, described by its makers as “an enzyme-modified encapsulated butter flavour that has as much as 400 times the flavour intensity of butter”, sums it up in six words: “When technology meets nature, you save.”"
decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume you saw this article http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food
asciilifeform: there's a great ru line from, i think, 'dog's heart'
decimation: I had a similar experience when I went to italy on holiday
mircea_popescu: the usians have a fucktarded chain selling the worst goop.
mircea_popescu: there's even a chain of HORRIBLE icecream. in this town, that has the best icecream i have ever tasted, by a long shot, and abundantly supplied by numerous artisanal gelaterias
mircea_popescu: mthreat saw a few instances.
mircea_popescu: i can't tell you how many times i've stormed out of a shithole, inexplicable in context.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they deliberately constructed a home away from home, these people.
asciilifeform doesn't publicize so much as a fraction of a percent of what he spends time on
asciilifeform: i'll point out that publishing -everything- one does is generally a habit of mediocrities desperate for attention
asciilifeform: and more palpably a Soviet restaurant.'
asciilifeform: 'A money-losing economy, like a money-losing restaurant, sucks. It sucks in all kinds of ways that have no apparent connection to finance. The entire dining experience is grim. This, indeed, is the experience of the entire "old economy" outside the little bubbles of Silicon Valley and Wall Street. My in-laws live in Columbus. Columbus sucks. Even with Chairman Ben's 85-billion-a-month bond-buying "recovery." It is more
mircea_popescu: i grew permanganate crystals, at least that's a meth precurso.
asciilifeform: incidentally, iirc i also suggested use of microbolometer (aka infrared camera chip die) as a cheapo version of microcalorimeter
gabriel_laddel: just so we have a sense?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a thought : if al spent the past five years measuring things rather than skulking, he'd be in a much better position todasy than five years ago.
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
asciilifeform: http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/9771
mircea_popescu: it is still a material step that way.
asciilifeform: except if the difference only becomes palpable a few $b and decades later, it does't really exist to the naked eye
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is a fundamental difference between lysenko (nutter whose shit DIDNT WORK) and this (if it works)
asciilifeform: it isn't really a concept he finds digestible
assbot: 2 results for 'lab nigger' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lab+nigger
mircea_popescu: not is of course practice, which is to say : if I were to declare I am ignoring "all that Einstein jazz", all physics penned after 1900 or so, and then built a cathodic tube television that worked just fine without accounting for quantum effects, the trashing and bashing of Einstein fans would be all in vain : I'll just shrug my shoulders, keep building and selling my television sets and care not on whit of whatever th
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought you had a handle on the 'provenance' thing - that is, that al doesn't win unless his opponents actually lose by their own rules and surrender by their own free hand
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's time to do a kickstarter.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: walk where? wants grant money for himself as a result of the discovery?
asciilifeform: which takes a few $b in imperial money
gabriel_laddel: the US is fucking nuts right now. you live in a bubble of sanity
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 15:36:04; mircea_popescu: no wonder everyone in the us needs a college degree. there's no way native intelligence could deal with a tenth of the cognitive dissonance dished out on a daily basis.
assbot: 13 results for 'cognitive dissonance' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cognitive+dissonance
asciilifeform: and certainly not a 'crackpot'-predicted boojum
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: but this is not germane to the issue. << Oh, but it is. These people are prepared to lie at every turn. See the stack overflow post, or the output of the Eot-wash group. If Al or Stan were make a mistake in the run, they'd never be able to test it again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he thought (as of our last at-length exchange, ~3 yrs or so) that he still had a chance to make the torsion balance owners see the light
asciilifeform: they proclaimed 'settled' after 'carefully testing' left- and right-handed machine screws in a torsion balance
gabriel_laddel: The Eot-wash group won't test this. And the string theorist in that stackoverflow question is more than happy to state that because a large construction of molecules falls at the speed we expect it to, it couldn't possibly happen on a small scale.
gabriel_laddel: What Al would like to test is pretty simple. Is gravity mirror-symmetric? If it is, then you can drop two stereoisomers in a vacuum, and they'll fall at the same rate. We don't know that this is the case, and the universe actually violates mirror-symmetry on many scales. Perhaps a violation will be observable.
asciilifeform: http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/9771
asciilifeform: anyone who still gives a damn - read the paper.
mircea_popescu: a lol k
asciilifeform: (as they typically aren't on a model)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how would i learn to play footsie if not via a wikihow article?
asciilifeform: as i gather, he's engaged in a contest of who-dies-first with adelberger
asciilifeform: basically he insisted that a negative result must come from one of the two eotvos torsion balances
mircea_popescu: this can't be a rationale not to try.
gabriel_laddel: iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all << this makes a great deal of sense
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu stoner paratrooper << fighters have a lot of relaxing to do!
asciilifeform: that is, that a failure for any number of reasons unrelated to the physical prediction - such as my hands growing out of my arse - would set him back (if such a thing were possible) years
asciilifeform: in a way not accounted for by any previously known effect
asciilifeform: well, he would have had to blow a rather expensive single-use wad
asciilifeform: i actually worked with a number of folks at the time who were ready to wangle access to the instruments for me.
asciilifeform: it was a perfectly valid objection, which is why the experiment will not happen publicly on this side of the coming civilizational demolition.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in the ideal model which sits at the fundament of us academia, this would have been arranged over a phone call and tried the next week.
mircea_popescu: and that ftr is a valid objection.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: al ended up having to explain to me... well, the concept i outlined in the first thread re: this subject here in #b-a
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i devised a test costing approximately 50k usd.
mircea_popescu: think of it in terms of throwing bowling balls at a tree from outer space. you won't get within a mile. and if the first ball lands 735`331meters rom the tree, the next five won't land 735`331 meters from the next five threes.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel string theorists are a lot like freudian psychanalists. the better ones follow the lieberman line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nonsense. the middle east always was enternally-warring. this is like husband stuck with a bad divorce, "at least i made her into a slut"
assbot: 6 results for 'cyc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cyc
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you're thinking of a human-cranked systematization project, straight to doug lenat's 'cyc' (i'll spoil it for you: it was stillborn)
asciilifeform: 1) ocr doesn't work because 99.99% is still ludicrously low - human reader -who fully understands the text- still required 2) no ocr exists or is reasonably likely to ever exist for anything rich in notation 3) the machine-readability of most mathematical work is a fully ai-complete problem
gabriel_laddel: nah, the obvious, in the case of category theory: Sucking up all the mathematics ever via some OCR routines and categorizing it via computer. Have an intern write a parser for latex -> ast
gabriel_laddel: reality will do a backtracking branch cut soon enough