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danielpbarron: buy a months worth of FIAT with bitcoin, and use that to buy groceries
sjsqd: that and its a free market
danielpbarron: buy a months worth at a time
danielpbarron: a few is all it takes to keep it competative, no?
sjsqd: danielpbarron: there are only a few BTC sellers here so its economically unfeasible to use bitcoin like that yet
danielpbarron: than if you bought a whole ounce
danielpbarron: if you want just a 20-bag, it costs a much higher premium
sjsqd: I went on a work trip to lebanon once, tried to use my ATM card twice and it lagged out
sjsqd: miraculously it works on a different machine though
sjsqd: and I'm pretty sure their jobs are going to disappear within a few years
sjsqd: every time I have an issue with a bank it requires dealing with 20 humans
sjsqd: I trust a computer
sjsqd: but in terms of whether I trust a computer or a human more
danielpbarron: best gift for a baby? golden pacifier or something
danielpbarron: i cashed out some bonds that my grandma got me when i was born; did the math and realized it should have been worth many ounces of gold instead of a measly 1k or whatever it matured to
sjsqd: a decent whack of money
sjsqd: I did save some money a few years back in a bonds thing backed by the government
jurov: sjsqd if someone takes an effort to do a marketing toward you, they're after your money or soul
sjsqd: even if its provides sources, its a summary
sjsqd: except a history book is just a summary of events in most cases
thestringpuller: sjsqd: they make logs for a reason...
sjsqd: but there are a few that have been ok so far
thestringpuller: lobbes: i wouldn't save in bicoin during a bubble
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, sure I wouldn't mind someone reading something that had already been written down; that's more like an audio book than a podcast
sjsqd: danielpbarron:when I get the time I will probably get a harddrive, install a barebones Debian installation on different partitions for each altcoin
sjsqd: although I did manage to compile a few wallets on Ubuntu successfully
sjsqd: danielpbarron:yeah apt-get is easy enough to use, but when you need to install a custom altcoin wallet for instance
danielpbarron: sjsqd, not that i'm recommmending debian, but it uses a package manager that downloads binaries, not source
danielpbarron: talking free-form into a mic is for people not smart enough to write down what they mean in a concise manner
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, if there is something worth discussing, just write a blog post
sjsqd: danielpbarron:yeah I tried it once on a VPS but it didn't end well
danielpbarron: you do realize debian can have a desktop environment, right?
sjsqd: I've run a few debian VPS servers before
sjsqd: debian is a challenge
sjsqd: so its kinda taken a back seat (:
sjsqd: as well as waiting for legalization of my residency status (its been 3 years of not being a resident so far)
sjsqd: but at the moment I have a family member in intensive care unit
danielpbarron: and even that is a bit pricy -- i picked one with a fast GPU
sjsqd: I have a laptop and I am moving *towards* that
sjsqd: tbh, if I had the choice I'd have a separate computer for linux and a separate computer for windows
sjsqd: having said that, my disdain for Adobe is growing on a daily basis
sjsqd: I understand open source could probably do a better job
sjsqd: Windows is kind of a necessary evil if you want to play modern video games or use 'creative' software
sjsqd: I don't care if its a lifeboat on the titanic
sjsqd: I would never, ever personally use anything branded by Apple in a million years
sjsqd: and send a shit ton of money through methods like western union or their banks
danielpbarron: understanding these things is like understanding how to ride a horse in the 1800s
sjsqd: but is a long way from any sort of plug and play operation
danielpbarron: so is a noose
lobbes: which is a secure store of value
danielpbarron: the whole "crypto on your phone" thing is more of a hinderance than a help
danielpbarron: you should better teach them how to run a full node
sjsqd: but beyond having to scrape into my savings to pay for a VPS here or there I actually don't have any way to spend it here yet
sjsqd: and managed to teach a friend in pakistan as well as a friend in Dubai how to set up a wallet on their phone
sjsqd: On a recent flight I used the plane's WiFi which cost like 1 USD
PeterL: and you don't see being tied to usd as a problem?
asciilifeform: sjsqd: once you understand the above, it will never occur to you to carry bitcoin on your person in the street, or spend it in a restaurant
sjsqd: asciilifeform:yes I kind of understand that bitcoin is more of a long term cryptocurrency (my view anyway) than a day-to-day currency for a number of reasons
asciilifeform: for a meal
pete_dushenski: sjsqd: it's more along the lines of, just because you like to do something, doesn't mean than a particular avenue of approach is appropriate
asciilifeform: and this is the only reason you wouldn't want to pay in a restaurant with gold?
sjsqd: and then it sits in a cupboard
sjsqd: asciilifeform:no I'm very sceptical of gold for a number of reasons
asciilifeform: sjsqd: in dubai, famously, there are 'gold atm' - where you run a card and get 100g bricks out. but do you pay for food with these ?
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sjsqd: pete_dushenski:yes for long term usage, no one is going to pull out a fully fledged laptop to pay for their groceries
PeterL: pete_dushenski: paper backups are a good idea?
sjsqd: I'm looking at upgrading to a phone with a fingerprint scanner
sjsqd: a friend of mine had his phone stolen
pete_dushenski: a $100 linux laptop does the trick
PeterL: do you consider your phone a safe place for your money?
sjsqd: but it is also a locale where you could pay for a house in cash and no one would ask any questions
sjsqd: PeterL:I use my phone, Windows computer and a VPS or two to store my coins
PeterL: lol, bitcoin is not meant to be on a phone
sjsqd: and I live in a city where the government evolves quickly
danielpbarron: ack a bashed too soon
sjsqd: but I've read as much as my mind can understand on it (I'm not a coder though)
sjsqd: I read about bitcoin a few years back
sjsqd: I understand the idea of bitcoin universes, I didn't get into it to make a quick buck selling for cash or anything
danielpbarron: that is a common misconception
danielpbarron: nothing of value is discussed in a podcast
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sjsqd: let's talk bitcoin is interesting because there are quite a few podcasts and such
sjsqd: completely separate platform, just was using it as a point of reference
sjsqd: danielpbarron:I was referring to a different blog
sjsqd: BingoBoingo:thanks I'll have a look on there
sjsqd: so its nice to have a little coming in from writing
sjsqd: she gets a cut before I do
sjsqd: but a good alternative income
ben_vulpes: sjsqd: a bitcoin client.
sjsqd: BingoBoingo: I'm not that well acquainted with how the different clients originated or their quality, more just a question of whether it is a bitcoin or an altcoin client; from what I understand it is a bitcoin client
ben_vulpes: a right, asciilifeform excised the dns.
nubbins`: each patch is intended to be small enough that a human can read and understand it
nubbins`: think of it as a LTS stream
PeterL: is gmaxwell associated with the phoundation? I remember him coming by here a few times
nubbins`: making the codebase not a steaming pile of shit
sjsqd: I will probably be publishing a third at some point this week
assbot: Transparency: A Fresh Look at the Bitcoin Foundation, Part Two | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAXdR )
sjsqd: second is here: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/transparency-a-fresh-look-at-the-bitcoin-foundation-part-two
assbot: A Fresh Look at the Bitcoin Foundation, Part One | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAWXl )