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BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like I am going to totally fire up the AIDS computer to follow every lead
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: because I'm in a bunch of videos under this nom de plume?
fluffypony: oh yes - I decided to fund it myself
fluffypony: when I have something cool to show I will :)
fluffypony: I've got stuff I'm building on the business side
mircea_popescu: oh i recall the derp. i think i told him off back when i was on twitter.
fluffypony: I guess he didn't like being called idiotic: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/542109944901009408
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I agree, but what I mean is that a sidechain can't have a direct USD market, for instance, it will always have to go via Bitcoin
fluffypony: but I do applaud the effort if it'll make shit like Jackpotcoin irrelevant
adlai: i don't mean it in that sense, i mean that their goal is to make innovations in other chains accessible to the bitcoin asset
mircea_popescu: adlai i doubt it'd be his lunch.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i dun think his idea is directly applicable (stolen by btc), but nevertheless, someone with a better business value proposition can just fork your code.
fluffypony: adlai: the problem is that the "amazing tech" can't easily be copied by BTC - although I'd agree fully on that being applicable to altcoins based off of the Bitcoin codebase. the problem isn't so much the code, it's that the stealth addresses + ring signatures are such a radical departure that Bitcoin would (obviously) have to hardfork to an address format that is completely different to their current one (since it requires 2x 256-bit
punkman: but I don't want NY sewage
punkman: I mean humanure is fine, if you are in the wot
punkman: not sure I'd want my tomatos fed on human shit
thestringpuller: well i guess I'm thinking of combining cardano with 2nd device
BingoBoingo: I think you two are talking about different devices
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
thestringpuller: exactly, so I was envisioning a device that can i/o securely from output of cardano
thestringpuller: so lets say the system in use is not a secure viewer, but a device is available (some mobile thingy of some sort), that is a secure viewer, but is unable to do heavy lifting. just reads from drive and displays it. so the use case I imagine is someone is sent important "please read now" encrypted memo to some dude who is boarding a flight. he uses one of the surely compromised internet cafe computers and his hand caradno to decr
thestringpuller: i was thinking of the scenario of having to absolutely read an encrypted memo but only have a potentially compromised/malicious system available
thestringpuller: i know that's somewhat random...
adlai: if i were to specifically attack that, i'd start from the assumption that a cogent and together person necessarily occupies their time in an activity which lends itself to monetary investment
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 07:19:05; mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
mircea_popescu: i dun think "invesing in altcoin" generally was being contemplated.
mircea_popescu: adlai that wasn't the most organised argument i ever read :p
adlai: ok that's enough. next time i bring up scalpl not in response to somebody else, please !down me
mircea_popescu: i don't think he'd agree.
adlai: i'm just being scoffy at the prospect that an altcoin offers tangible benefits beyond, say, speculating on the coin's value without actually holding any
mircea_popescu: i dun think i understand what you're asking here.
BingoBoingo: I think pete_dushenski is out lobbyist up there
mircea_popescu: the years I spend in Toronto."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at crazy shit ranch : "I am a twenty-year old sub living with my dom in Sask in a 24/7 D/s relationship. For the past two years I have been training as a sub and saving money for school. In the summer I will be relocating to Toronto for college in the fall. My Sir will find a Dom for me there with the hopes of finding me someone to stay with while I study. In exchange I will serve him as his slave for
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, i just spent a coupla hours derping in eulora myself. jus as long as it's not coming as a surprise later.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but basically any growth won't come to me. so i won't build on it.
mircea_popescu: it may make sense if i won't hold it overnight sorta thing
mircea_popescu: well no, so far i gather the contrary : i'm guaranteed to not see any mid or longm term return
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so from a purely business pov, why would i give this thing a 2nd thought ? what exactly can my 1 btc buy me and how ?
BingoBoingo: Poloniex I always assumed was polonium
BingoBoingo: I mean castles are basically the motorola 68k of fortifications
BingoBoingo: I just like the idea of castles, like mudkips
BingoBoingo: I know
BingoBoingo: Eh, what's the differences. The interesting stuff? I'm fighting a generic winter illness and slowly realizing a bottle of cold medicine is supposed to contain multiple doses.
mircea_popescu: + i accidentally sent asciilifeform's line about 2nd code and pots to some chick i'm talking with on the side. she's new and was just probing as to what's in principle required of new chicks.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am struck by thoughts of jabba
mircea_popescu: sucks to be me i guess.
mircea_popescu: beating the women i love is more work than i feel like as it is.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller eh let it excise itself. why should i do the work for people i don't even like.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks. << liek the ppl that want everything to be lisp ? :D
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all this geographic arrangement. a bitcoin island, a derp camp...
ben_vulpes: i am but a mere engineer.
ben_vulpes: those of us who think it not, kindly invited to pleb elsewhere i gather.
undata: a quote of a quote I swear
undata: I can't think of an instance in history where blunt instruments such as these were wielded effectively.
asciilifeform: this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks.
thestringpuller: i.e. prince and the pauper?
undata: thestringpuller: I'd think it wise to at least demo the poor life for them
asciilifeform: i will add that agricultural slavery is an optimistic scenario for the folks in question.
thestringpuller: for meritwashing I presume?
asciilifeform: what is to be done with them is a question not for you and i, but, in all likelihood, for the chinese ministry of biodiesel
undata: I'd accept that given some decent mechanism for outliers to escape that circumstance.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork. << but isn't this how ignorant mobs form? as much as I like a pitchfork mob....
undata: "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. Node.js is a powerful tool for specific applications and you no longer need to know 2 languages if you go the full JS stack." << I call this single-step reasoning. It's everywhere.
thestringpuller: "I wish Bitcoin was written in JS, I'd be able to understand it a bit better."
thestringpuller: he goes on to say: " If I had written bitcoin, it would have been in javascript."
thestringpuller: Ryan X. Charles: "I discovered bitcoin on May 13, 2011 and never recovered. After developing a reputation as the bitcoin guy at the physics department, I eventually quit my physics PhD program and went full-time bitcoin. I worked for the best bitcoin company in the world, BitPay"
undata: this mental conversation I have about "yes, pick up the cup and have a sip" happens substantially later than the action to do so is already in motion
undata: asciilifeform: pretty sure this is the experiment I'm thinking of 40hz.net/david_2011.pdf
cazalla: i'm not that familiar with it, does this let you buy credits or something thestringpuller ?
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, i was planning to do so but i checked out my missus account and there is no bitcoin option, maybe not for aus yet
thestringpuller: cazalla: can I write up the scoop?
undata: asciilifeform: I'm more referring to things like, say you notice in the workplace that you have been for the last year in direct competition with another worker
undata: if things bigger than skulls are conscious, I wouldn't be qualified to comment on them
undata: decimation: I consider "god" a barely scrutable term
cazalla: actually, misses has a hotmail, i'll go harass her
thestringpuller: hopefully I don't by xbox live or something in the process :P
asciilifeform: pen + paper << i end up doing a great bit of work with pen and paper, even though ink is not executable and my hands are in agony after ten minutes - simply because it works in places and positions where no computer
thestringpuller: cazalla: lemme see. i'll try to order something after I finish this thing for work.
undata: that there are drives, goals, whole projects somewhere lower-level that I'm barely conscious of
undata: decimation: veering into woo-woo territory, but in meditation I've often gotten the sense that the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk of what I am
undata: I had a retina macbook, total rubbish
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: macbook air << funny that you mention that machine, because i have the original model. it mostly gathers dust.
decimation: undata: I think there is a 'yearning for meaning' inside of each human, and that generally drives them to choose a god of some kind
undata: decimation: I've wondered whether our capacity for creativity is exactly what tends to rot the brain
undata: though that might not be too magical; I'm not asserting that it *will* happen, merely deciding to press on towards it
undata: however, it might be adaptive to have a touch of it; would I keep working towards escaping the gravity well if I wasn't certain I can accomplish it?
decimation: I'm not sure it is humanly possibly, but I only have myself to speak for
undata: I agree that they're both the same flavor of magical thinking.
decimation: undata: but this is exactly the 'revelation' point I was making above
undata: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
undata: I don't know how scientific the Jungian stuff is
decimation: the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. I imagine it is a place where one can ask God wtf he was thinking
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the traditional heaven (dude, it's like a really large field, we can camp and hike! and graze!)
decimation: so I find these AI doomsayers highly amusing. most of them would laugh at a Christian's claim of revelation (knowledge which comes neither through induction nor deduction) but are more than happy to jump on board the eliezer yudkowsky tard train because "I know it is true"
decimation: I think he is some kind of trader that works for a major firm
mircea_popescu: i guess this is the us' great eastern visit.
mircea_popescu: i knew the moment the japanese started with that weird, and the us libtard class started paying attention, i knew this was coming.
decimation: yeah I like this guy's blog, he edits the mainstream media