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nubbins`: ;;google hear my train
a-comin'
trinque: asciilifeform: do you find AMD more trustworthy or is it
a technical preference?
ben_vulpes: i honestly don't even know how to build
a workstation.
ben_vulpes: i'd like to build out
a workstation this year.
nubbins`: trinque my understanding is that installing brew and macports is
a recipe for disaster
ben_vulpes: well
a) marginal in that if you can hack an os x box, you are able to hack
a linux or bsd box, and why prefer the consumer os to something designed for use by professionals
nubbins`: fwiw brew is *just*
a package manager ;p
ben_vulpes: but macos is marginal, and not at all
a thing that i'm interested in hosting bitcoind on.
mircea_popescu: the reason you're not seeing "anything very objective" is because you don't know all sorts of things you don't know, and so they don't trigger for you. for instance : in
a village where there's no bank, someone offering loans is one thing. in
a town where banks exists and works, someone offering "loans" is called
a loanshark.
danielpbarron: they are selling the things at like 80% off because they think people will pay them 5 USD
a month for cloud services
nubbins`: just killing
a saturday seeing how much work is involved
nubbins`: not that i'm going to be running
a node on this machine
nubbins`: so brew installs things in
a specific location
nubbins`: we don't, i've got
a passing interest
gribble: The bot responds when you start
a line with the ! character.
A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for
a list of help topics and documentation:
http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ gribble: Error: "price" is not
a valid command.
vorandrew: and somebody wants to buy his debt for 89 cents
a dollar
vorandrew: means he wants to sell his debt for 93 cents
a dollar
felipelalli: mircea_popescu:
a P2P lending system totally based on OTC WoT system would you consider
a fraud as well or it could be something good?
mircea_popescu: it "seems to be working" because placebo effect,
a sugar pill "seems to be working", and then six months later guy with tb is dead of iodine poisoning or w/e.
mircea_popescu: so you know, "it seems to be working" is
a very bad heuristic for stuff like this.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli there's
a difference between making cars as in, making
a trabant, making cars as in, making
a cardboard cut-out of
a car, and making cars as in, making ford pintos, which explode killing their passengers.
nubbins`: s/sha256sum/shasum -
a 256/ etc
nubbins`: in order for it to compile all the deps, there's only
a couple trivial changes to make
nubbins`: i'll probably get
a makefile.osx done up at some point
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you for the answers and the link. I'll have
a look on it before comment again.
assbot: Logged on 25-04-2014 17:49:10; mircea_popescu: "After scoring
a major grant awarded by the Bitcoin Foundation, Coinpunk’s beta version is finally available. The project, which is being developed by the veteran startup founder Kyle Drake, intends to build the first fully open-source, self-hosted do-it-yourself Bitcoin wallet service that you can run on your own server."
danielpbarron: or if such-and-such
a bet was from whatever exit scam ?
mircea_popescu: "The LightEater attack would take an unskilled attacker such as
a maid or border guard two minutes of physical access to
a target laptop."
mod6: huh, weird, this one looks like you can read
a lot of it...
mod6: yeah, i saw that. usually on-line, you get
a certain amount of sections to preview.
mod6: it seems like
a decent read. i feel like i my have read that book like
a million-internet years ago.
mod6: i feel like the pogo is hugely important for getting
a large amount of nodes out there with 0.5.3.1, that's really exciting.
mod6: im probably least clue'd on the mac side. if I had an environment to play on for
a while, i could probably get it to work.
mod6: then
a makefile.osx would have to be modified and re-added to the package once working.
mod6: well, we'd have to spend some time just making sure we have the correct configure/compile flags set for openssl/bdb/boost and then create
a patch or derivative of auto.sh for ppc-mac
mod6: <+nubbins`> so 0.5.3.1 auto.sh will compile everything up to bitcoind itself << ah! ok. log/breadcrumbs help here : log output with uname -
a and other important info is good to capture for
a solid bug report.
nubbins`: occasionally i burn fun-sized blocks of btc just to make things
a bit more tangly
mircea_popescu: hence the bitbet model, hence the reusing of addresses etc etc, numerous specific measures to hinder the little solace idiots
a la power rangers etc are trying to give the "defungibilize bitcoin" party.
nubbins`: my being here is probably making life harder for at least
a handful of people
nubbins`: <+Adlai> there are
a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
Adlai: one approach to combating terrorism is to refuse to be terrorized, on
a societal level. another, on an individual level, is not to "ask for it". these are not mutually exclusive.
nubbins`: this is like pasting up
a leaflet that says "main street intersects 3rd avenue" and then arguing that's the intersection you lost your wallet, even though the map says impossible
mircea_popescu: Adlai never interrupt the enemy while he's making
a mistake.
nubbins`: Adlai
a random website taking two random unlinked transactions and placing them side-by-side on
a random page does not constitute even the /scent/ of proof
nubbins`: so then why don't we just ask mp to create
a dummy bet page, and list tim draper's stash as the output?
Adlai: the "this is just text on
a betting website" doesn't get the 'electric anthill' any further from your anus
Adlai: there are
a bunch of different concepts which are getting wrapped up together as "taint" so let's stop using that word, it's about as helpful as "jew"
nubbins`: then you're just trusting the word of some guy who runs
a website.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt that after he ignored the "if one wins now you've gotta taint 2x as manby btc, if the other wins you lost track." bit he's in
a position to grok this one, but hey.
nubbins`: i could just create
a static copy of bitbet w/
a web crawler and create all the "links" i want
Adlai: "i understand what you're saying and insist on attacking
a strawman"
Adlai: it's much more complicated than
a single number, same as you can't scalarize "trust" - but taint as i've defined it exists, in the blockchain - outside of the mind.
Adlai:
a better word for this could be "signing history", but whatever it is, it exists. you can ask what the history of any utxo is, and you get
a graph of signatures
Adlai: no. you're confusing between value in the minds of people holding
a bill, and fingerprints on its surface. one exists in the mind, the other is evidence. it could be misleading evidence, but it is there.
mircea_popescu: and it recurs because stupid is really
a very narrow space.
Adlai: but whether or not it's meaningful to
a specific incident, it still exists
mircea_popescu: it's not
a matter of "lalala taint doesn't exit". taint exists exactly as much and exactly for the reasons god "exists"
Adlai: then the idiot using
a betting site as
a tumbler, got what they deserved
mircea_popescu: address
A with your "taint" may lose to address B. what now ?
Adlai: let's say i've identified
a certain address
A as coins that are "not welcome here". i see it move coin to address B, so i sniff around and notice that B is
a deposit address on bitbet, with winnings going to C. i add C to the list of unwelcome money.
kakobrekla: private bets are public, just need
a password to request
a deposit address
nubbins`: at which point incompatibilities in ld crop up and grind the thing to
a halt
nubbins`: yeah tim draper owes me at least
a few bucks
mircea_popescu: and yes the brain's not
a leviathan. nothing is. that only exists as
a first line of fantasy, no place ever worked like that except in the bookish literotica of state-wankers.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, people working on computational theories of human intelligence are basically correct and broadly irrelevant, yes people who were working on this 30 years ago are too stupiud to follow it, because hey, they didn't grow up with
a computer, like i did, and yes culture consists of
a lot of fleas and relatively little treasures.
funkenstein_: We're beginning to come to grips with the idea that your brain is not this well-organized hierarchical control system where everything is in order,
a very dramatic vision of bureaucracy. <-- i liked that part