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snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:11:35 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, might still have to make soem kind of two-tiered system, because im not going to either unrate most everyone i have rated now nor let any and all talk. so i guess ima have two keysets ? nfi.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:59:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936106 << alf, surely we don't need to baw on behalf of anyone!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:50:52 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:46:27 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935561 << unlike phf, holding a torch of oneitis for some pantsuit chick that likely couldn't pick him out of a line-up, i should hope the texan has enough fucking sense to actually manage his household as his own.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:41:53 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935554 << it's not like it's fucking arbitrary, might as well ask sums to "moderate themselves", why not, write letter to factorial, "dear factorial, your results are computationalyl challenging, and it is unfair to most numbers above 10 or so that they can never feel safe in being followed up by an exclamation point like their single-digit bretheren. why won't
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936059 << the curious thing to the squishy humans is how this man is mathematical instead.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 00:31:02 asciilifeform: trinque: cuz we're both recluses .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:06:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 00:25:35 lobbes: trinque: seems like this fella was having issues registering his key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UFHE
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935983 << like I say to the 20somethings at work, NOT ENOUGH CONTEXT TO DO ANYTHING BUT KNOW YOUR EMOTIONAL STATE, about which I don't care. jfw get at me and give it a try while I'm at battlestation so I can see wtf. also next time say how you're attempting so some amount of useful activity can take place async
BingoBoingo: Well, that's how they signal it's a purge
asciilifeform: 'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
BingoBoingo: I remember when finally, after a couple years of terraforming, the jungle corner of mom's yard was rendered mowerable.
BingoBoingo: lol, Summer tends to do that to swamps
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz BingoBoingo might appreciate, asciilifeform was clearing , i shit thee not, jungle, w/ machete
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/richard-stallman-targeted-for-depersoning-and-mit-eviction-over-defense-of-minsky/ << Qntra -- Richard Stallman Targeted For Depersoning And MIT Eviction Over Defense Of Minsky
BingoBoingo: Tanks https://i.imgur.com/lZPZUtw.jpg << Do not appear to be a match for Uruguay's actual tanks
BingoBoingo: But yes, the plaza in front of the President's tower, the National Standards Institute, and the National theater is being occupied by Hollywood adjacent forces with some pretty shitty looking tanks
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: lolz! was that one of those "modern art events" thing or what?
BingoBoingo: In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:58:06 asciilifeform: lobbes: in re elderly relatives ( and asciilifeform also has some ) -- if you have the budget, and they're reasonably portable, you can try to evacuate'em. bitter pill, but gotta point out, lotsa folx went to the ovens in prev. reich who otherwise didn't have to, because they did not come up with a timely decisive cut of this knot.
mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
mircea_popescu: then again, ~all old folks are broke anyway as far as the eye can see, so it makes little practical difference.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << this is very common, for precisely the reason.
mircea_popescu: not like there's no precedent. it was recently illegal to be named ito, sato, suzuki &c
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:25:35 BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:27:11 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936194 << hmm, yeah I guess it wouldn't prevent me today at least. Still, not sure if I'd be willing to take that risk that the list won't expand as the end days of the empire march onward. Meh, moar thinking to do for me it seems
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936235 << by now you're in pure lunatic with a bloodied axe territory, though. "No man's life, liberty or fortune is safe while our legislature is in session" as per franklin, and so for all you know it'll just as well perhaps become illegal to be named eric.
asciilifeform: ( typical gnutardism, historically, is coupla 100kB of actual sores, and several MB of autoconf ! )
asciilifeform: ( aaand, cannot resist to pose the q, what % of this mass is autoconf liquishit ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936176 << holyfuq! was this ~just~ gcc, or also the 'toolchains' crapolade ?
asciilifeform: lobbes: in re elderly relatives ( and asciilifeform also has some ) -- if you have the budget, and they're reasonably portable, you can try to evacuate'em. bitter pill, but gotta point out, lotsa folx went to the ovens in prev. reich who otherwise didn't have to, because they did not come up with a timely decisive cut of this knot.
asciilifeform: lobbes: i.e. if you 'own' sumthing in usaschwitz that dun fit in a suitcase, and you have no working plan to liquidate into btc -- consider it lost to enemy
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-29 13:32:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
asciilifeform: lobbes: as i understand, the paper 'defenses' are increasingly dead letters naodays
lobbes: perhaps I should look into the 'renegotiation' thing after all. maybe can shield her that way.
lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
lobbes: this is true. Most who do leave, do so to fenced in resorts where they do not need to learn local tongue even
asciilifeform: ( the various 'why' of this -- explored in this #0 thrd & elsewhere )
asciilifeform: starting with the fact that ~80% of'em never even had an external passport at all, nor can think of why to ask for one
asciilifeform: lobbes: as i understand it, the current regime of leave/enter in usgschwitz is 'liberal' strictly b/c there is much larger 'invisible fence' that keeps zeks comin' back
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 12:06:35 BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 16:13:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936188 << they're traditionally moar interested in 'kulaks, who surely have gold squirreled away somewhere!' than the stones with certifiably 0 blood to squeeze
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936225 << makes sense, though I could see them expanding it to student loans for pure ceremonial reasons.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:25:35 BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936194 << hmm, yeah I guess it wouldn't prevent me today at least. Still, not sure if I'd be willing to take that risk that the list won't expand as the end days of the empire march onward. Meh, moar thinking to do for me it seems
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catie-sigh-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - CATIE: Sigh. Adnotated.
lobbes eats more threads
lobbes: in other words, I definitely do not get the "abuse" angle / "does not help" angle either
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:57:52 diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936160 << verily. Furthermore, the inescapable truth is that one day mircea_popescu will shuffle off this mortal coil. Why anyone would not want to eat as much of his brain while he is around is completely unfathomable to me, especially since he is willingly offering it to eat! The Republic will one day need to stand on its own feet and produce
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catie-reloaded-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - CATIE Reloaded. Adnotated.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 12:06:35 BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936188 << they're traditionally moar interested in 'kulaks, who surely have gold squirreled away somewhere!' than the stones with certifiably 0 blood to squeeze
asciilifeform: ( they're both 4-hose boxen )
asciilifeform: imho The Right Thing there would be to build new array on dulap-spare , w/ cuntoo. ( naturally after crate flies )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936169 << dulap's been short on disk for a while. ( atm it's a raid5 of 4 x 256G , i.e. 750 usable ; ~90% full at this time )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:21:39 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 << i however was there at table (twice), and the way it got left off, last i heard, was a vague "of course will definitely dedicate seriously to republic work nao" / "had trouble in the past of various extractions but all better now / financially comfortable" and so on.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936145 << somewhat reminiscent of shinohai ( who also , iirc, solved the 'day job problem' ) but somehow to this day not found the strength to actually do sumthing constructive w/ the freed time
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:15:34 mircea_popescu: 10 is dead, 9 is peerage, the rest's the rest.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936126 << this is imho workable, if not very fine grained (the 1-10 dial wasn't very fine grained to begin with, but does it need to be? )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:10:47 mircea_popescu: it's obviously to be done by the master's hand and none other, which is why that entire lisp obscura grilling was so bizarre ; but whatever, growing pains.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936112 << to me he promised diff. knob, which granted nobody else wanted, and i still have nfi why took 2y of fighting with inner devils to disgorge. ( did, in the end, disgorge, after continued prods out of band. )
mircea_popescu: specced like two years ago too, crying shame.
asciilifeform: btw we still dunhave that knob...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:59:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936106 << i thought it was clear, but yes, was asciilifeform who whacked phf with stick in regular installments. ( other folx, to whom were promised e.g. the file-movement knob in vdiff -- could have beat, but took mercy )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:24:17 asciilifeform: it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:58:56 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936040 - hey, glad to hear it actually! it was wholesome food (and no maffs-doctor here, fwiw the maffs in it are undergraduate level I'd say, not more).
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936104 << in asciilifeform's eyes, ought to be edible by anyone who passed arithmetic in grade school. or, so was the design.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but better to have it ready before needed than scramble then
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:50:52 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << this also imho good idea. tho afaik none of the other castles carry enuff load yet to make voicetronic model appealing there
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:03:50 mircea_popescu: it's a dog, though, it has no fucking idea it's walking about looking for that final trigger.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936085 << this is good point, as in the familiar biblical overloaded camel
BingoBoingo: Anyways, that's why I find "Ernest Talvi - He identifies as a US trained economist. His voter base is mostly reddit dorks." << http://bingology.net/2019/05/26/overview-of-local-electoral-politics-heading-into-the-impending-party-internals/ more offensive than the PCU, MPP, and Mujica. The commies steal, but the "identifies as economist" wants to steal being stolen from and package it for sale in New York.
BingoBoingo: No, they just get fucked out of dollar inflation on top of peso inflation
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed. And the common folk in this part of the world get put to the screws because they measure inflation primarily against the dollar. "dollar doesn't move"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, going fast towards "los recursos se dolarean automaticamente", no dobut about it.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, le bigmac and pizza can be mixed, and it would taste amazing.
BingoBoingo not sure many US folk even tourist.
BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose with per capita consumption in the us at the lowest levels in the place's history, way below ww2 levels and only commensurate with the economic puritanism of the 1600s... banning tourism might not even be an outrage.
mircea_popescu: doesn't take much, either -- be unemployed, as most grads are.
mircea_popescu: not student loans tho, at least as it stands. for one thing, they're mostly commercial paper ; for the other thing, such a ban'd be pretty much equivalent to banning youth from travelling, afaik most are in some kind of default.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 06:09:39 mircea_popescu: lobbes, i wasn' taware indigence is a bar to re-entry in the zone (i'm putting this here rather than in a comment for visibility, so moar informed folk can see an' comment)
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem with script-side exeflags.
diana_coman: ave1: that sounds like a later step really; it makes sense to first genesis as that's quite some work too anyway.
ave1: I could not find any other solution in the logs, except for removing for example configure, but that's one step too far for me for gcc.
diana_coman: ave1: a script to set the flags seems fine with me; I don't really see any other sensible option either.
ave1: One problem so far is that the executable flags are not perserved in vdiff, so I have added a script to restore these. Is there any other option?
ave1: On failure, I'll think of something...
ave1: As a first step, I'm trying to build without these