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nubbins`: unit comes w/ instructions for use, that includes grabbing both the bitcoind tarball and
a seed list tarball of choice
nubbins`: seed list is in
a source file?
nubbins`: foundation could publish
a list of trusted seeds each month w/ state of the union
ascii_field: but there is
a reasonably sane solution that doesn't involve secrecy
nubbins`: at this rate you're gonna have to get in the wot before someone tells you
a seed ip
ascii_field: nubbins`: yes. but -how attractive-
a target, will depend on how much damage can be done to our cause by shooting at it
nubbins`: any seed list made public by any means is
a target
ascii_field: nubbins`: node ships with no seeds. even without bitcoind binary. user inserts
a storage unit on which he has placed
a therealbitcoin-signed tarball. this gets eaten up.
nubbins`: in the meantime, we've been using
a different six since we sent out the first X units
ascii_field: the only reason they are alive (and are they? i checked
a good while ago) is that no one cared.
nubbins`: well i'm not running
a namecoin node
ben_vulpes is
a total country bumpkin re: anything combudder
ascii_field: my isp is
a mega-conglomerate which owns and uses multiple slash-eights
nubbins`: i'm sure we all have at least
a reasonably narrow range of IPs that'll be assigned to our nodes, even if they're dynamic
ben_vulpes: and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to
a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers
ascii_field: scan
a random /16 for .foundation nodes << wai wat
nubbins`: sure, it'll take
a couple days humming before it starts getting blocks
nubbins`: fuck it, get it to scan
a random /16 for .foundation nodes on first boot
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: user-flashed possibly, from vendor state, but not into
a configuration that is reflashable in the same idiot (remote exploit) way
nubbins`: let him buy
a banana cream pi or w/e
ascii_field: i'm fine with him having to buy
a new box -then-
ascii_field: why would someone buy
a box from therealbitcoin when he suspects we've been turned ?
nubbins`: now you're stuck with
a box with OUR keys being the arbiter
nubbins`: suppose you get
a box and then start suspecting we've been turned.
nubbins`: you can't locate someone with
a key
ascii_field: warning that if we bake machines with unchangeable ip constants, this paints
a fat blinking target on them
nubbins`: what sort of handshake happens when you find
a live ip in the seed list
ascii_field: give or take
a few months, enemy starts to bark up the vaguely-correct tree.
nubbins`: and there's you with half
a blockchain
nubbins`: and
a week later they're all dead in the water
nubbins`: until you hardcode
a thousand seed ips
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 05:10:32; mircea_popescu: forget it, you want to upgrade get
a new unit.
nubbins`: there's gotta be
a sane way to do this over the wire
nubbins`: the list'll be stale by the time someone gets
a box
nubbins`: where's the seed list now, in
a fucking .c file or something?
nubbins`: and is thus useless for inclusion in
a baked-in
nubbins`: my ip address will be fine to use as
a seed node, but it /may occasionally change/
ascii_field: one of the few things usg is reliably good at is making
a particular ip unusable
ascii_field: turning an ip address into
a critical constant in
a field-deployed machine paints
a big fat target on that ip for usg
ascii_field: so, what, we're expecting operators to throw out perfectly good boxes to add
a fucking seed node!?!
nubbins`: i think
a lot of it is genuinely overstock too
ascii_field: (the vendor is selling
a loss-leader, hoping to attract chumps to its 5/mo. 'cloud' crapolade)
ascii_field: danielpbarron: i'd like more specific info on how to make my own u-boot << i have
a u-boot built from official source. the buildroot thing -also- builds
a u-boot, as
a matter of course, but i have not yet tested that one
nubbins`: if you try running
a 64bit program on
a 32bit os, you're gonna be sad
nubbins`: hey, the best swordsmaster who ever lived was bested by
a farmer with
a quarterstaff
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i've done the same thing tho. i only had access to 32bit windows for my gaming rig, and i have to wipe the entire thing to install
a 64bit version.
nubbins`: it'll be
a bit of
a pain, but if you can comment out your auto.sh so that it only builds one component
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> this is
a different one than the one that didn't have the db_cxx.h <<< ah
danielpbarron: this is
a different one than the one that didn't have the db_cxx.h
danielpbarron: so i'm the dummy that didn't realize he had
a 64 bit cpu and put 32 bit OS on it
danielpbarron: on
a related note, i'd like more specific info on how to make my own u-boot
mod6: you may want to do like one at
a time: Comment out 77-95 (for BDB) & 97-119 (for Boost) and just see if you get
a clean build from OpenSSL. Then if so, comment out 58-75 (openssl) and uncomment 77-95 for BDB and just run that... etc etc.
nubbins`: i think your problem might start
a bit earlier?
nubbins`: danielpbarron your 7th halts at
a different step, hey?
jurov imagined
a dystopic flick featuring people with GMO gut flora living off all kinds of waste
nubbins`: coffee plantation was the first time i ever saw (and smelled)
a smell sample kit
PeterL: but chemists have
a general knowledge of what goes into good food, unlike geneticists who have very little idea what goes into intelligence
nubbins`: but yeah, mp has it. you can take
a stab at the /types/ of organisms or compounds therein
mircea_popescu: pickes are cucumbers fermented in
a saline solution in the dark and cool.
mircea_popescu: if you had
a cistern to run through, and
a few years and an infinity of budgets, you maybe could get something sorta usable some of the time. which is about wheree it is.
nubbins`: now take
a glass of house red and
a glass of $5000/bottle red and ask the guy to do
a blind taste test.
mircea_popescu: PeterL no, you can't actually, because
a glass is not enough sample.
nubbins`: everyone's seen
a sommelier identify the vineyard by taste
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sure, soime cases are more advantageous than others. now go distinguish
a glass of wine from another glass of wine, chemically.
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> to which I ask, why even use
a block chain? it's like cloud storage with unneccessary drawbacks << this pretty much
Adlai: there's
a gene for smoking all the way down to the filter
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 04:30:25; mircea_popescu: at any rate : expecting human behaviour to be addressed by genetics is
a little like expecting food to be discussed by chemistry.
nubbins`: danielpbarron here's
a snippet from the last chunk of text you shared
mod6: i've never used gentoo before, but if this still
a problem/not-resolved by the end of the day, I'll try to setup
a new droplet and test the auto.sh changes there.
nubbins`: openssl is the first dep that should get downloaded and compiled, so if it's halting there it's probably
a path issue
danielpbarron: i thought this is supposed to download
a specific version of ssl and use
a local copy
danielpbarron: my pogos are currently running
a bitcoind that i compiled myself
danielpbarron: i think it would take about
a year for
a 5400 rpm drive pogo to sync with the network
danielpbarron: i knew solid state would be faster; just seeing how much faster, and if 5400 rpm drive is
a reasonable option
danielpbarron: i'm running two pogos, one with
a solid state drive, the other with
a 5400 rpm drive
danielpbarron: to which I ask, why even use
a block chain? it's like cloud storage with unneccessary drawbacks
danielpbarron: and that's supposed to eliminate the need for there being
a currency
danielpbarron: Adlai, it's
a block chain with mining restricted by
a centrally controlled key
Adlai: so 'eris' is...
a database? an application server? does GenDoug support Hybrid-Flex™ blockchains?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering
a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as țuică.//only 75%?
mircea_popescu: According to the 2002/2003 census, 143,167 farms had plum trees bearing fruit covering
a total area of 554 km². According to the same census, about 75% of the crop ends up as țuică.
mircea_popescu: but historically, methanol is "wood alcohol". ie, if you try to distil roadkill and old boots, you get
a lot of it.
mircea_popescu: even if you start with
a 50-50 mixture, keep the still open at ~75 degrees for half an hour, then you can just let it burn and collect the result.
mircea_popescu: anywya, if memory serves there's
a good 10-20 degrees differential between ethanol and methanol boiling points.
cazalla: "Initial reports about the four men's methanol poisoning suggest it occurred when they tried to concoct grappa,
a grape-based brandy."
cazalla: and whenever some dudes die from the methanol they produced, they make
a big deal of it in the media to warn of the dangers of diy at home