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thestringpuller: davout: i use VC as a catch all like VB
thestringpuller: davout: i guess more the windows bindings. Like MFC etc.
mircea_popescu: you do that ? i'm curious to see this one.
davout: thestringpuller: i thought visual c++ was just an ide
kakobrekla: how do they know for sure its gonna go up and how do you save if its gonna go up if you borrow now i dunno is the loan fiat based ?
BingoBoingo: Here I tend to see lots of fat hunters.
mircea_popescu: this is doubtful, but i'll let asciilifeform argue it.
thestringpuller: well anything you do in C++ you can do in C. like that song (anything you can do I can do better)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't know any fat hunters. i know precious few slender fishermen.
BingoBoingo: I mean I have no problem with killing animals for food, but I prefer fishing to hunting because fishing has better complimentary activities you can multitask with it.
thestringpuller: i remember opening source code back in 2010 on my machine, and seeing everything chmod 777
mircea_popescu: "oh i have 50 btc in a wallet somewhere, i contributed 5000 lines of code to bitcoin core that will have to be taken out later at considerable expense and i go to all th conferences if some scammer is paying the airfare (coach)"
thestringpuller: lol. i'm the only anarchist in the office.
thestringpuller: ^- i wonder if this will hold precedent in making people give up private keys of any kind
Vexual: wtf do i care tho
Vexual: and i've been less than repentant
Vexual: he asked me nicely first, i must admit
Vexual: i spammed his chan
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
Vexual: i dun see it
Vexual: are you suggesting that if i have a pgp key n wot kako will like my occasional music?
nubbins`: which i think is a bit on the expensive side
nubbins`: i only have crappy 30mbit up
felipelalli: I have less than 1mbit up
punkman: 10mbit up? I wish
jurov: now i have 40/40 , but back when i had 10mbit uplink, bitcoind sometimes saturated it
felipelalli: One thing I have not studied deeply, but why every node need to have all the data? Okay there enough overlap, but really all data?
felipelalli: I guess isn't his intention, but good intention hell is paved.
felipelalli: but I also found too aggressive the numbers of Gavin. And why do you guys hate Gavin?
felipelalli: I found a good idea make something implemented just to "wake up" after 2 years.
Vexual: its up to the miners, most do small blocks, so i dont see it happening soon
danielpbarron: i honestly can't tell if that feminist OS is meant to be serious or satire
BingoBoingo: I dunno. I think there's some value in seeing how the adults "good enough to make the show" end up failing because of Dunning Krueger.
Naphex: BingoBoingo: one thing i'd agree, its better with kids then with idiots lol
BingoBoingo: Naphex: I remember reading about one doing just that last season
Naphex: i'm just watching if the lil ones loose a finger :D
nubbins`: Vexual i know, send me some
nubbins`: i lel'd
chetty: <<< reading various stuffs here on the great blockchain 'fix', I wonder whatever happened to "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Vexual: i can't even
Vexual: i fthey start doing pixies in trees silk road 17 will be out of business
Vexual: i dont chess
punkman: I wanna try the spaceglasses though
punkman: I wouldn't mind more AR/history/exhibition things like http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/when-science-fiction-becomes-reality-rebuilding-the-berlin-wall-with-augmented-reality-a-704970.html
ben_vulpes: and i want to nap
ben_vulpes: got a writeup somewhere? i don't understand the implications straight off.
ben_vulpes: i don't know if i was around at that point.
mircea_popescu: "The current solution as proposed by Bitcoin Core is, when you get right down to it, “let’s just be really careful with code changes and hope for the best”. There is no real disaster recovery or prevention plan. Yes, there is ongoing work to split the consensus critical bits out into a library and I think this is a good idea and am glad to see it happening. However, it still does nothing to address the real fun
ben_vulpes: <Luke-Jr> [] not sure why this patch is reducing set_lg_max.. << lol i love the stream of consciousness as Luke-Jr reads through source
mircea_popescu: yeah now i see what you mean :)
ben_vulpes: i'm just sitting here imagining the ways gavincoin could play out
ben_vulpes: no no i went searching for that
mircea_popescu: i thought you were up to date!!1
mircea_popescu: no but i was expecting today's log.
mircea_popescu: did i miss teh log ?!
ben_vulpes: god i love you guys
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes for all i know it was just overflowing idiocy.
mircea_popescu: hehe i hear that a lot.
Pierre_Rochard: The point I was trying to make is that Gavinonomics has no notion of demand elasticity for bitcoin transactions
asciilifeform: now, whether even one of these (or ones not mentioned here) is fit for use in anger, on the battlefield - i cannot say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have not tested it
mircea_popescu: i thought that one died.
mircea_popescu: i had thought it started with 2.something
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i rly dun recall, mebbe it was after all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for all i know, it's hitler.
asciilifeform: i once worked with a fellow who had a poster containing, in reasonably readable print, linux 0.01 kernel.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the 0.1 source was ever actually released
asciilifeform: speaking of satoshi's paper, i learned by accident that someone sells a printed & bound 'collected satoshi crap'
asciilifeform: i would dare to suggest that plenty of folks who haven't anything to save, for instance, like the proper bitcoin quite a bit
mircea_popescu: if i wasn't so disinterested i'd have someone mine reddit to get a relative comparison of votes/words wasted on gavin's coin vs neobee
mircea_popescu: i suppose bitpay "embassy" is still deserted because whatever, people were insecure about what may happen if the bitpie in the sky is smaller than perceived.
mircea_popescu: Yes, I personally have lost enthusiasm for recruiting merchants, because I don't know what will happen once 1 MB block size limit is reached, "
mircea_popescu: everyone i know that's not dumb is busy doing shit. the people "discussing" on reddit are an entirely different brand. if tomorrow they were replaced with a frog infested pond, what'd happen ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to regret that reagan didn't make more us workers go to party indoctrination class.
mircea_popescu: how's this a problem anyway ? pre-bitcoin, pre-gpg, etc, i can see it. today ? who gives a shit ?
mircea_popescu: decimation i don't really see it the same way. when nanotube was disappeared earlier this month, gribble got replaced within something like a week. seems to me the organisation's fine.
mircea_popescu: because a) we deeply care about the "i predicts" of propaganda agents ; b) "hurry up guise, if we don't do it while nobody's looking we won't be able to do it at all"
mircea_popescu: With the limit in place, Bitcoin runs the risk of stagnating. When the limit is lifted, I predict we will see mass adoption."
decimation: re: woodcollector scam << the one I see in random us fishwrappers is 'fuel saving magnets' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_device#Magnets
mircea_popescu: "tldr: economically speaking, core dev team should not worry about increasing the block size limit until at the very least we see average transaction fees consistently above the 0.0001 btc 'minimum'. At that point we can revisit this debate. There are other questions about feasibility and politics that I'll leave out."
mircea_popescu: i am kinda shocked nobody is wanting to buy gavincoins from me for a fucking steep discount, incidentally.
ben_vulpes: i guess i do now
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr: although I suppose that doesn't help if you want multiple people to sign them << the idea isn't to sign commits, but to sign reads. << see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824250 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888473 it's an older point this, about software accountability. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: but i guess this is coming
Luke-Jr: by himself? then it's a simple "no" I hope
mircea_popescu: i don't know why a whale would want to be 20 tons. so what of it.
Luke-Jr: I can't imagine how the block size is at all related to governments, or why a government would aim to change it.
Luke-Jr: look, I respect your right to be free of US interference since you're outside the US, but governmental politics has basically nothing to do with hardforks
Luke-Jr: I find it very hard to believe MPEX is even 1% of bitcoin business
mircea_popescu: coinbase made the round, which i guess gains it a little space. NOT that much.
Luke-Jr: anyhow, I don't think Gavin knows people here have concerns. I'd suggest doing a writeup of what those concerns are, and what Gavin needs to do if he wants your approval for a hardfork. I know you shouldn't *have to*, but otherwise I don't see any way this is likely to come to a resolution.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: I'm definitely in favour of taking a conservative approach, and I'm pretty sure most of the Bitcoin Core team is as well. I think Gavin was probably frustrated earlier when it came up in #bitcoin-dev because nobody could give him a straightforward "way to convince everyone"
mircea_popescu: i dunno any better, so ima take your word for it.
Luke-Jr: (ugh, I'm being unclear: I mean the onus is on him to convince you, and you shouldn't have to convince him)
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: I agree Gavin should persuade you - but he will probably ignore you if you're not there discussing it
decimation: I'm not sure folks here are interested in 'maintaining' as much as understanding and recreating
Luke-Jr: and I hope Gavin doesn't plan to just ignore DarkWallet and your fork - though I wouldn't be surprised if he did to be honest
Luke-Jr: anyhow, if the goal is oldest version, I'd recommend going off 0.4.x; either way, I'd recommend fixing the bdb hardfork
Luke-Jr: oh well, I guess it's managable if you don't plan to do much maintenance to it