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asciilifeform: as such it is worth imho whole modern net put together, gram for gram
mircea_popescu: having no intention of getting along is a perfect armor against repeating usenet ; or the internet ; or anything else.
asciilifeform: vintage usenet ( in fact the 'yarchive' d00d -- no relation to ycombinator tards et al , see l0gz - has good chunk ) contained folx who actually spent good chunk of 20th c doing things such as organic synthesis of novel 'better living through chemistries', overseeing petro exploration, various productive pursuits of now-mostly-evaporated civilization
mircea_popescu: don't tell me that "if oyu don't read how imbecile smart doods trying to get along tried to get along, you won't ever guess on your own and may repeat the same mistakes".
mircea_popescu: leaves open the question of "why is the history of improductive planet, be it the left can of soda or right can of soda, worthy of preservation".
asciilifeform: i haven't visited the productive non-nonsense planet yet, so cannot further comment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is getting along.
mircea_popescu: there's two components to "grandfather" : a) man ; b) successful.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually rather than 'get along', contained blithering 'einstein was a lyin' j000' crackpots, aetherists, perpetuum-mobilists, etc.
mircea_popescu: i will agree with you that yes, man trying and failing is still man ; but you will i hope agree with me that man failing while still man nevertheless still loser.
mircea_popescu: because the population just wanted to get along ?
asciilifeform: ( received , incidentally, much the same way as mpoe-pr was on tardstalk. )
mircea_popescu: i will grudgingly grant this much, and very grudgingly at that.
asciilifeform: originally there.
asciilifeform: d00d laid out how to do the eotvos thing. recipe still on his www last i saw.
mircea_popescu: what of this supposed work can i rely on today ? is there a schematic ? is therew anything ? HOW do you distinguish between this and henninger "publishing" ?
mircea_popescu: is this a "mostly did" ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 17:52 asciilifeform: he even had the benzyl crystals mostly grown.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-22 03:06 peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
asciilifeform: [insert the benzyl thread here]
mircea_popescu: al schwartz just wanted to get along.
asciilifeform: proof is in the archive.
mircea_popescu: the fatal weakness, those folks just wanted to get along. ☟︎
asciilifeform: eh you were there. the fatal weakness, these folx could not make hardware.
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em, they have no claim to perpetuation whatsoever.
mircea_popescu will make no secret he has ~no respect for the "pistols" of such grandfathers. if they sucked less they might have solved say... ONE of the problems we're stuck with.
asciilifeform: probably asciilifeform gives the most shit. but also has the smallest free hand atm.
asciilifeform: who wants to be the hero, to confiscate usenet fossils from the heathens?
asciilifeform: at any rate i cannot currently be arsed to paypal to find out,.
asciilifeform also found a https://www.theusenetarchive.com but it appears to be payware, and possible scamola.
asciilifeform: '...world has one single USENET archive (I hope they have backup floppies!), how can I obtain historical data...'
asciilifeform: it is possible to glue'em back into something useful
asciilifeform: incidentally, the derpy usg archive thing purports to have some of the original tarballs google 'harvested' to make its now largely dead usenet search : https://archive.org/details/usenet
asciilifeform: some of the folx here might greatly enjoy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the arse spider is a win
phf: mircea_popescu: got it, thinking
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/26/worried-about-the-fork/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Worried about the fork?
shinohai: Welp my female companion has sworn off the internet for the evening after reading latest Trilema.
mircea_popescu: oh oh, and guess the name of my car mechanic ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in even more lulz : passed today by chinese restaurant "rong fad", rico y barato ; as well as by dr. rivera's FagRivet veterniarian hospital. you know, for pets.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/you-will-regret-having-read-this/ << Trilema - You will regret having read this
mircea_popescu: "While presented under the umbrella name of WizSec, this unofficial independent investigation into MtGox is a voluntary effort of individuals." ehehehehe
BingoBoingo: rage has many flavors, and mebbe USG lives long enough for there to be a next coke machine to Rage Against
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: feel free to make own ragepiece
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform went to countryside house, attempting to finish 'p' 'schrodinger-style'
BingoBoingo: Rage into a text editor on this subject for 30-45 minutes, editor will insert links to support points and spellcheck before offering pre-press for your review.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I understand you shiva hands are full, but maybe you can spit some venom at the Wizsec thing? As "coke machine" prognisticator affair could use your voice from on high.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 13:08 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS.
mircea_popescu: that's the other thing : so vast is the usg bureaucracy, you can always use them in a different province. that this is how it works is always evident : just like gavin was supposed to be accepted in bitcoin because of his mit credentials, now he's offered to the naive population of $random-small-town on the basis of his "bitcoin credentials" and so no. as long as nobody digs, figures the usg, the lies stand by default.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is, e.g., gavin, still in circulation? i admit - lost track << Atm he appears to be mostly focused with his Amherst city council or neighborhood watch gig
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/btc-e-down-owner-appears-headed-for-usg-coke-machine-treatment-as-fiatist-thefts-continue/ << Qntra - BTC-E Down Owner Appears Headed For USG "Coke Machine" Treatment As Fiatist Thefts Continue
mircea_popescu: so they are... augmenting the... intelligence, such as it is, of the "customer base"
mircea_popescu: this, btw, should probably count as augmented intelligence : the normal workings of the normie brain make the past very foggy. the deliberate design of the apple and apple-clones makes memory both more costly and less useful than it'd be naturally.
asciilifeform: is, e.g., gavin, still in circulation? i admit - lost track
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing because of the enforced short memory of the herd.
asciilifeform: 'Craig Wright recently boasted they will have 20% of the network hashrate' << apparently these folx NEVER throw an 'asset' away, even when long dead an' rotten..?
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure how to phrase this correctly, but, some guy trying to use his own noggin emerged out of the tardstalk swamps at some point years past. apparently he's using some different-same "platform" thing, whatever.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://users.cis.fiu.edu/~weiss/ada.html << quite useful, imho, readings.
ben_vulpes: dun disagree in the slightest with either point
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho the scheme currently in use by phf is The Right Thing
mircea_popescu: now rather than later is the time to do such a thing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i know the number of links pasted to my logger approaches epsilon, but rewriting those few links to the sensible scheme makes me squeamish nevertheless. probably resolved with a "hey doodz, updating my loggers refs, this includes editing lines logged to point to the new schema."
BingoBoingo: USG continues desperate thrashing
mircea_popescu: the whole "for we say so therefore it is" confidence is somewhat chuckle worthy.
mircea_popescu: it's an iffy point. generally, trying to work the pig farm slowly increases the qty of shit you're covered in. digital pig farms aren't much better.
trinque: I find it hard to believe that exchange "owner" owns himself
trinque: maybe btc-e guy's owner told him to fork over the wad, and go sit on his spike, as per prior arrangements.
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik goxes typically implode when the coins, such as there were, are long leaked out, and the tank - bone dry
mircea_popescu: hey, for as long as the imbecile cattle "buys" bitcoin on usg.tor and then goes on reddit to "independently" opine about mp...
trinque: didn't say they were.
mircea_popescu: now, trying to get rid of "independent" "exchanges" is logical from their pow, but won't turn out particularly useful, because they weren't all that independent in the first place.
asciilifeform: other than argumento ad redditum
mircea_popescu: well, the usg problem is that they got left with a larger-than-usual hole as a result of their recent attempt to "gold" bitcoin.
asciilifeform: trinque: i still have nfi what is the reason to connect said coins with said lul
trinque: also btc-e still down, massive wad of coins on the move?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690018 << "why doesn't 'you hate x therefore love y' bullshit work on these people ?!?!?!" "because they're not idiots, idiot." ☝︎
mod6: for my purposes, i'd like to use arrays. anyway, im just kinda doing some educational stuff.
asciilifeform: mod6: it doesn't hurt to be familiar: who knows, perhaps the eulora folx will use'dm
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: you may have noticed that asciilifeform did not use the containers, or elaborate string ops << yeah, we discussed. just wanted to familiarize myself with 'em.
mircea_popescu: and greece is possibly the main offender. it gets more free money than ~anyone, per size.
mircea_popescu: without that, there's no bureaucracy.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 13:41 asciilifeform: idiot ircs sucking nato cock and paying for the privilege
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690011 << nah, that's not the way the money flows there. pretty much all orcs, from argentina to france, exist BECAUSE china credits the fed general account and the fed then credits their piddly "national bank" lookalikes. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mod6: you may have noticed that asciilifeform did not use the containers, or elaborate string ops
mod6: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-greece-russia-arrest-idUSKBN1AB1OP?il=0 << this the btc-e guy?
mod6: <+shinohai> http://archive.is/j8cXI <<< PLOX to give us our money back << these ICOs are a scam-a-minute huh?
mod6: hopefully it'll be /fast/ too.
mod6: how hard/easy that will be, i dunno yet.
mod6: most of which are fairly easy to utilize; i've been adventuring through reading in vpatch/sig/pubkeys and storing them in mem.
mod6: nothing to write home about really, just sharpening my skills with containers, multi-d arrays, and record.
mod6: nothing interesting at the moment.
asciilifeform: mod6: still marveling at the desperate audacity of the monkey
shinohai: http://archive.is/j8cXI <<< PLOX to give us our money back
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 06:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amending is a point i get stuck on every time i start thinking about using sensible identifiers in my www logs
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690001 << plox to elaborate ☝︎
mod6: how's it goin this mornin?
asciilifeform goes back to comp with kbd