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ben_vulpes: too bad i'm too bad of a scammer to pull it off
mircea_popescu: i was also lazy.
ben_vulpes: amusingly, i was confirmed without paying.
mircea_popescu: nah, just, i know what qs to ask of people. "go read it and i'll ask you things"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sorta assumed that you either read it, or had it read to you, or wrote compatible gadget
mircea_popescu: i suppose it is a testament to my scholarship that i can actually get away with outsourcing the actual readsing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-111701 << 'confirmed' << i ponied up on 12/31, where's the 'confirmed'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't actually.
diametric: Somehow I've never seen this before.
mats: i was hoping you'd have a better idea tbh.
mats: mats is like the oracle on the topic now! << not sure if you're criticizing what i said there
mircea_popescu: <buttonwood_> I've been really interested in applying the smart contract technology to bitcoin-otc. Are there currently any active smart contracts or oracles doing escrow trading on bitcoin irc ? << no. people do thje trust calculation by hand.
mats: i figured i'd give it a shot before proceeding, i've put at least 400 hours in already and i believe there may not be quite a lot of useful data at the end if i continue this way
mats: mircea_popescu: but there are 11 judges with 0 cases and 12 with just 1. i'm now going through and reading every case involving USG, i've cleared ten judges this way, but the number of cases i've been able to find have been fairly low in number
mats: mircea_popescu: i've observed that the number of cases meeting the parameters in the courts-circus project are very scarce: i've read every case involving the judges nubbins` listed, with the keyword privacy on Westlaw, which yielded about 90 cases
buttonwood_: There has to be a better way to do otc trades tho. I can't believe that trusting somebody on bitcoin-otc with a good rating is the optimal solution
buttonwood_: I've been really interested in applying the smart contract technology to bitcoin-otc. Are there currently any active smart contracts or oracles doing escrow trading on bitcoin irc ?
mircea_popescu: A. Here's proof i control address X, and here's a payment of 500 btc to it *included in block Y*
mircea_popescu: B. I don't believe you.
mircea_popescu: A. I own 500 btc.
jurov: right. and even if node doesn't create txs itself, i'm asking about verifying whatever txs flying around
ben_vulpes: and all of this because i asked about what should bear responsibility for creating and signing transactions.
mircea_popescu: mebbe i dun understand what the problem is.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> now you do withdrawal, you need to gather and sign all of them despite it's the same 1Fx address << it's whjat i took this to introduce.
ben_vulpes: if i want to spend my low-priority outputs, that's my problem.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i don't understand what all gets signed. more than likely.
ben_vulpes: but you're saying that if i cook up a transaction that has 1march29th as an input, the miners should actually rewrite that to use 1march15th as an input?
mircea_popescu: honestly i thought this is what the topic was.
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about the reference implementation.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> jurov i thought we were discussing bitcoin as a spec, rather than bitcoin as a hack. <<
mircea_popescu: if this isn't proof that a transaction once included loses its identity i have no idea what would.
mircea_popescu: i think we mgiht be. will have to re-re-read this sometime that's not saturday night in between cabaret and strip club.
jurov: i'm about new ones
jurov: no i'm trying to explain transactions maintain their identity in blocks
mircea_popescu: semantics i guess.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow. use the formalism in the model, that's why it's there.
mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno how to do it better than http://log.b-a.link/?date=25-01-2015#990883
mircea_popescu: i think of bitcoind arbitrarily as 2.
ben_vulpes: i guess a step backwards is in order first
ben_vulpes: if i'm reading correctly, you propose moving transaction creation *out* of bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: if i can interrupt, i'm coming at this problem from an entirely different angle.
mircea_popescu: i feel like i just spoke into a bag over here.
mircea_popescu: well the block 3 tx i named as "proposed" is a 0 conf.
jurov: but i'm talking about 0conf transactions
jurov: that's what i'm asking, if you don't care it won't check relayed transactions?
mircea_popescu: jurov i thought we were discussing bitcoin as a spec, rather than bitcoin as a hack.
ben_vulpes: i guess this implies maintaining an index of txn hashes -> block hashes for lookup and validity checking
mircea_popescu: i don';t see how it will.
mircea_popescu: and i don't give a shit how convenient it is. let userland cut down the correct implementation for the sake of convenience.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes once a transaction is proposed, the software has two options. 1) "oh , this looks like a tx involving inputs i remember were valid" and 2) "these are the inputs. check. these are their sources. check. these are their sources. check. this is the coinbase. check. ok."
ben_vulpes: like i'm 5, please.
jurov: and to do it you need to find all the inputs, if i understand ben_vulpes correctly
mircea_popescu: like linux. i don't have to get a new version of lindows to get rid of fucking notepad
jurov: i don't have an issue w/it
kakobrekla: every time address is added to wallet? < if this is your common practice i think you are doing something wrong
ben_vulpes: so i made two claims, let's treat them seperately
jurov: yea, i'm asking how?
ben_vulpes: i think that maintaining the utxo list is a good idea.
ben_vulpes: correct me if i'm wrong, but address balance is the sum of unspent transactions to that public key.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i am agreeing yes
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand. << one can make his own emacs scripts do whatever one wants. notthe job of emacs to provide a preloaded button for arbitrary tasks.
Naphex: i'm not denying anything
ben_vulpes: when i made furniture, we went out of our way to put cunts into the woodworking.
Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/M3Crl1u.jpg lmao. they totally made it look like a vagina ;o
mats: i was thinking that
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand.
mats: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=723_1421956190
kakobrekla: i should put a banner back on bb
ben_vulpes: unqualified 'till i die
ben_vulpes: a pauper is i
ben_vulpes: <jurov> [] hanbot rather a pickup line, maybe. "wanna write my eulogy?" << i have actually used this one
diametric: asciilifeform: its a manual 3 axis, though i think it would take little effort to make it a full 3 axis.
jurov: lol i did for a while
mircea_popescu: jurov worked as a life insurance sales agent i bet!
hanbot: jurov i've heard of worse premises for dating services
mircea_popescu: im not fucking dead yet, am i ?!
hanbot: well i remember the trilema post in which the woman's duty to write a eulogy, suck cock, and wash socks was outlined
Bagels7: well i know how men act like, i grew up with only a father, and all my aunts married passified men probably after they fucked a bunch of alpha's
Bagels7: well there was a bunch of stuff i didn't agree with that you said but I forgot what it was
Bagels7: i agree
mircea_popescu: Bagels7 yes, i believe there is strict and unbreachable difference between the sexes.
Bagels7: I think I think you are sexist Micea_popescu
punkman: http://36.media.tumblr.com/ddd24abce6f5955b395f09174b57e033/tumblr_nhxg7iISA81tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg << hey I've been there!
mircea_popescu: im not having any right now, im sitting an' derping at computers. i had one earlier, in her ass.
mircea_popescu: i just dropped 5 lbs of steel handcuffs on 4 lbs of laptop
ben_vulpes: i was entreated by a girl to "block some sites" on her computer. jezebel, gawker, others.
ben_vulpes: i don't think though that we've extended this to computational substrate yet.
mircea_popescu: i imagine so.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] danielpbarron: << handcrafted coffee now? << this actually is a thing. I've had it in CR. It looks say like : http://trilema.com/2011/chestii-pe-care-mi-le-doresc-dar-nu-le-voi-putea-gasi-niciodata/ << actually how all decent coffee is made
thestringpuller: i can live your life and my life at the same damn time
mircea_popescu: i mean cult.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i have timed this. 30 seconds best seconds.
pete_dushenski: i imagine that cultpeas would all be the exact same size, zero variation
ben_vulpes: i was hoping for someone outside of the echo chamber.
ben_vulpes: <mats> [] ive been here a while and i still can't get over the high class white pussy strolling the streets << take any home yet?
mircea_popescu: but i saw you published in qntra neh ?
mircea_popescu: not that i recall ?
thestringpuller: i'm drunk
thestringpuller: I thought this was a support channel for insomniacs tho?
thestringpuller: "fu guise i'm going home" << weird how south park is allusion is everywhere.