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a111: Logged on 2017-07-30 03:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who
the hell made
that excellent point about
the possible
types of planar symmetries and
the small count of human civilisations
that discover all ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who
the hell made
that excellent point about
the possible
types of planar symmetries and
the small count of human civilisations
that discover all ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aka "this one secret mp doesn't want you
to know about how
to enlarge your brain without doing any reading".
mircea_popescu: mysticism is now what it always was :
the adolescent's refuge.
mircea_popescu: it sure as fuck shares mystic dimensions with
the whole "just give me
the facts" "i fucking love science".
phf: i wonder if
the narrative shares mythic dimension with
the various "sure proof ways of dealing with a devil if you chance meeting him on
the road" narratives of 100+ years prior
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-25#431157 << i've heard
that one in a dozen of different variations (for example instead of фуфло "на просто так" which is as innocent as it gets).
there's
the whole genre of ru fiction "prison survival for newb",
the gist of it is
that supposedly you can fake
the "correct" answer
to "кто ты по жизни" so you won't be harassed. of course
the whole framing is nonsense, and if you're reading it it
☝︎ mircea_popescu: i
thought i had ; but
then i searched and found nothing.
a111: Logged on 2013-12-25 21:00 asciilifeform: new prisoner is asked
to gamble, he asks what
the stakes will be,
told:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't find
the original discussion re prison noobs playing cards for a fuffle aka buttfuck. dja recall ?
mgoetze: as for
then, let me sleep over it.....
mgoetze: does 'pay a
tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred
thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised' define
the method of realisation ?
mgoetze: one question about
the
taxes
mircea_popescu: mgoetze you don't know
that. you'll know if it is,
though
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
the public key i mean. << AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA you have
to specify now after
the incident
mgoetze: how long would until i know
that it cannot be phuctored ?
mgoetze: currently contemplating running a
tmsr node
mgoetze: if it is about
the usual procedure here, i am aware about it
mgoetze: my dad is a retired engineer, and he enjoys his garden, a local culture club and a few beers every now and
then
BingoBoingo: The concrete stuff is usually found in
the building materials department.
BingoBoingo: Well,
that's a very meta epistemic question.
Birdman: Right,
thats why im not sure you asked lol. Isn't
the concrete stuff found in
the WoT anyways
BingoBoingo: Birdman:
That sounds like a lot of existential dread.
BingoBoingo: Mebbe introduce yourself again? It's been a while. How great again are you
this year?
Birdman: i've nothing of importance
to add around here
BingoBoingo: Well, you've been join/parting for a while? Mebbe
test your ability
to
talk every now and
then.
BingoBoingo: !!up Birdman Are you ready
to
test
the waters on
this side of
the Republic yet?
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later
tell finitemaz See
the above in response
to your PM ^
finitemaz: Lol, I actually did search for him in
there
shinohai: As he does not exist in WoT,
then is not person as far as I am concerned.
shinohai: I remember his posts from
tardstalk, about it.
finitemaz: Hello! Found myself reading
through logs for 4 hours
today lol
jhvh1: whaack:
The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ag3nt_zer0: not desired behavior, no,
thanks for pointing it out
BingoBoingo: "State-owned companies are reasonably common. Average income is 38,599 Coils, and evenly distributed, with
the richest citizens earning only 3.2
times as much as
the poorest." << OMG mircea_popescu Your wealth gap is closing!!!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, russia is confiscating us real estate in moscow in retaliation
to us confiscating ru property in dc.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 19:58 asciilifeform: i suspect
that
the basic component (
the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~
ag3nt_zer0: can't even name a favorite
track on
that album - but a number of
them are just incredible examples of his maturing skills and mastery of his niche... after listening
to
this album on repeat for
the last
two years I was
totally shocked at
the suicide news - made zero sense
to me... it's a bit disconcerting
to see
those who helped inspire me
to
try
to live a purposeful and meaningful life offing
themselves
ag3nt_zer0: heh
this reminds me of
TMSR: "E.W. Dijkstra who suggested IT companies not
to hire programmers without a suitable knowledge in Latin."
phf: (it will not be a waste
to do so; an alternative reading suggestion will only be necessary if applied crypto is
too dense and you're
too lazy/undisciplined
to fully commit
to it)
phf: besides applied cryptography comes with C examples and
to presupposes all kinds of knowledge
that you probably don't have. since you already ordered it, and was planning on going
through it, do so, and
that'll show you where you might need
to go from
there
phf: oh i was just
taking a piss, because of asciilifeform's reaction. i don't
think you have
to go esoteric. i don't know of any books, but early lisp related research had plenty of "metaphysics of computing" papers of varied quality
that will probably be easily demolished by any real philosopher. i don't know your level of knowledge but perhaps a "introduction
to programming" book would do
ag3nt_zer0: anyone know of a good, or
the good, metaphysics of computers or computation book?
ag3nt_zer0: hmmmm ok phf and asciilifeform
thanks very much... I am
thinking I don't even know what a computer is, philosophically... not grokking
the fundamentals of LOGIC and physics - fish in water... what
the hell IS a computer I guess I need
to find out
phf: i make periodic attempts at it every once in a while, and every
time i have
to go further back in my mathematics education
phf: i've not actually read applied cryptography but if it has a section on public key cryptography it should demonstrate
the "there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key
to any given public key", but i guess in order
to have certainty about
the mechanism you should be reading books on number
theory
ag3nt_zer0: ok
thanks... hmmm since you just indicated
that applied crypto predates and answer
to
this question might you have anything
to recommend off
the
top of your head for reading
that I might get a more sturdy conceptual footing here?
ag3nt_zer0: because mathematics is absolute? or
this math is?
ag3nt_zer0: phf is
this so because
there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key
to any given public key, no matter whether created on mars in
the sand or in
the computer on earth?
phf: i
think it's a continuation of his "how do i keep my coins safe without running full node" question
phf: (and until you do its nature as a wallet can be debated philosophically. i
think majority of
tmsr is platonists, so
there exists an infinitive number of wallets
to which you can spend whether or not anyone has possession of
them. you can
though discover a wallet
through
the process of key generation)
phf: presumably
the answer is "you make it exist by spending
to a public key"
ag3nt_zer0: I guess my lame-o speculation is
that a keypair somehow needs
to have access
to
the network
to "exist"
phf: i
think
the question is "how is
that i can generate a wallet offline/airgapped without
telling anyone, but
then it magically works on real network"
ag3nt_zer0: perhaps its out of my current range of understanding, but might someone point me in
the direction
that I may grasp how
the hell a keypair created on an airgapped computer has relevance in
the actual online network...? Applied Cryptography (blue) is en route so perhaps
that will help but in meantime
thought I would ask here as no luck with searches - don't even know what
terms would bring
that up...
ascii_wtf: ( monday or
tues at
the earliest. )
ascii_wtf: zoolag ( same box ) also down until i can physically get
to where it lives.
mircea_popescu: bah, i mean "to have and have not", not passage
to marseilles. apparently
the cheapo war flicks are running
together into one large casablanca.
mircea_popescu: accessory after
the fact ; or else obstruction of justice ; but in practice a cop will just come and steal all your shit, like
the ever friendly usg-comissioner stealing bogart's money in passage
to marseille.
mircea_popescu: so, if dude is running down
the street
throwing benji confeti, you pick up ?
BingoBoingo: Gotta cement
that "maverick" legacy before phylactery finally rots