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mircea_popescu: THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i can do the grepping i do on computers as they are. and if they'll be twice as fast i won't notice. like i've not noticed any improvement since the 90s.
mircea_popescu: this difference has already chosen winners and losers.
mircea_popescu: the point is that we need computing power to increase logarithmically and they need computing power to increase exponentially.
mircea_popescu: the point, mind you, isn't even a "z80" planet. and yes i think that extremely unlikely.
mircea_popescu: this thing we're discussing here is such a hard limit.
mircea_popescu: but yes : the policy of socialist government is to keep rolling up its failures. until it hits a hard limit.
mircea_popescu: no more moore's law means no colored unicode emoji just like it means no "big blocks"
mircea_popescu: it means a lot more than that. this fork will come stab them in the eye again and again AND AGAIN.
mircea_popescu: that i crushed them like worms last year doesn't JUST mean i now have gavin's head and yet another painful humiliation inflicted upon usg's asshole.
mircea_popescu: that culture depends on, and knows it depends on, a specific sort of infalted delivery of hardware.
mircea_popescu: the point however is not this. the point is that... hm, how should it put it so it clicks. looky here : usgavin and his merry cattle troop were not ranting about moore's law for no cause, early on. they represent not some people, not some institutions, but some beliefs and a way of life. a culture.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : if it gets so bad that no further chips can in fact be manufactured at some point, then yes over time existing hw will become unusable. maybe a few decades tops.
mircea_popescu: so they'll be 1hr blocks, what difference does it make ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but this doesn't matter : on a planet with z80s you can mine with z80s, and on a planet with asics the asics that mine STILL have to mine.
mircea_popescu: the only thing that matters is the relative terms, ie, relative of total available. this makes the whole line moot, yes it'll be 50%+1 in all worlds, whether powered by pen on paper or star-sized megacomps.
mircea_popescu: so detached : bitcoin mining still has to follow the rules. consequently, how much power goes into it in absolute terms is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: jurov i wanted to detach the mining discussion from this discussion, because it is unrelated.
mircea_popescu: so there's a major differential, which colors the discussion.
mircea_popescu: jurov no, the point is that what i need the things to do, they do well and i have space to spare (heck, i went for breakfast, figuring it'll take minutes. it would have been fine if it did). meanwhile what THEY need to do, the machines already can't cope with.
mircea_popescu: wherein there is some rudimentary sensation and motility as an aggregate.
mircea_popescu: because if you can you must and because zero one infinity, and so therefore, life's not worth living.
mircea_popescu: and as such, a subclass of "so just stop using the damned colored unicode bs". not gonna happen.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, what you're proposing is patently NOT FAIR.
mircea_popescu: as a result it ends up embarassed by charlotte manning or w/e that was.
mircea_popescu: and there is no special ft meade. we're the only special interest that exists. otherwise, ft meade still has to hire from the emoji, and it does.
mircea_popescu: if she had to repay all her debts (and forget the financial angle - if she had to do all the work to count as educated at the level of education she perceives herself to occupy, manifest inability to think or even spell be damned) she'd simply figure "life is not worht living" and lie in a ditch to die.
mircea_popescu: lemme fish out the conversation with this worthless dumbass, it is apropos.
mircea_popescu: you see... it's not a problem that there won't be infrastructure available. it'll just "not be worth using". what, it can't even unicode in colors ?
mircea_popescu: the truck is available. but it IS NOT WORTH IT. and besides... all the other kids will laugh at him.
mircea_popescu: it's the essential item of "what's worth". do you recall the kid that got a truck for his birthday ?
mircea_popescu: crisis is, by and large, a process in the heads of the people.
mircea_popescu: understand, the problem hre is not of "available technology". the technology stays avaiolable throughout.
mircea_popescu: tbh, i had originally written pentium i and then cancelled it out.
mircea_popescu: the middle died long ago. my idea is that one of the horns is headed for a major splat, and well... it likes to think there's not another horn. fortunately this is not so.
mircea_popescu: does this actually coallesce into a point or not yet ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect they won't wish to live in the alternate world.
mircea_popescu: they won't be able to keep on supplying themselves with computers capable to make "fair" unicode.
mircea_popescu: so, to come to terms : the sv circus is already bordering on unable to maintain its presence. which is why "the cloud" and so forth.
mircea_popescu: their shitty plastic thing will be worn through on the 3rd pass.
mircea_popescu: the other fact of the matter however is that most if not all of those 16 women don't even own a scarf that could be used as described. because they don't buy by THAT criteria.
mircea_popescu: now... fact of the matter is that most women to date have lived and thrived and been happy in the "horrible" situation described.
mircea_popescu: and c) no, the electricity's not coming back. and no, i don't mean tonight.
mircea_popescu: so sixteen husbands come back home one evening and explain to sixteen wives that honey : a) eating out is out of the question from now on. and b) you're going to wash your scarf by hand. and use it to make a diaper. and then wash it by hand.
mircea_popescu: five years later, the "water table" so to speak changes. like you know, it changed in the ukraine recently, or in moscow in 1988.
mircea_popescu: so : i am a rich land developer, i buy some land, develop housing. it's 16 lots, which are bought the same year by 16 couples.
mircea_popescu: indulge me with an example that's domestic for a moment.
mircea_popescu: you have to appreciate tho : to them, it is not a waste. it's a raison d'etre and so fundamental its unwind would make life worth living.
mircea_popescu: soon enough they won't be able to afford to pay for computers.
mircea_popescu: but the point remains that what I use computers for and what they use computers for are very much disjunct, and relevantly so : they require about two or maybe three degrees of magnitude more materiel.
mircea_popescu: well this discussion is too far removed from tactics to be readily wrappable into something that'd make any sort of sense at that level.
mircea_popescu: as such, it is conceivable that z-80 powered trb can actually drive into the ground 12nm process powered united-prbs.
mircea_popescu: in economic terms, approach B is A LOT more resource thirsty. from a planning perspective, the world is undeniably going into a resource-scarce phase.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that there are two discrete and identifiable uses of computing power. one is as above : leverage for already present intelligence. the other is as in the webstack : compensation for absent intelligence.
mircea_popescu: to make an alternate but related point : i just ran grep -Fxv -f on two files, about a million records together. the ~quarter mn result took all of two seconds.
mircea_popescu: "oh we need more steel mills!111 machine factories!!11"
mircea_popescu: not anymore than the soviets actually wanted to marry to the hitler-era notions of economic activity and growth
mircea_popescu: but no. the more i think about it, the more etched silicone is not something you wish to marry to.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i've been thinking lots about your famous silicone whine. (ie, "trb can't exist until etching plant"). from a twu wuv perspective, what we actually need is an alternate technology. i am guessing that a) it will exist and b) whoever deploys it will be trb anyway.
mircea_popescu: "preserve state of the shitstack so our software works"
mircea_popescu: davout well since it contains fats, you can't just let it be.
mircea_popescu: it is porous yes. through use it acquires a working glaze tho.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's cleanned by rubbing well with very coarse salt, then adding water and heating it like that for a while.
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, its usually a 5 liter-ish, unglazed clay pot with a lid (that can be made airtight by applying a butter seal). i usually cook potatoes with meat in them (potatoes on the outside, make a house for hte meat). also great for mousaka, lasagna etc
mircea_popescu: seriously, send them oxen back to the farm, there's no need for freeing THESE particular slaves.
mircea_popescu: where a sequence of eleven Unicode characters would be intended to be rendered as a single colourized glyph showing a multiracial family." << these people fundamentally misunderstand what an alphabet is.
mircea_popescu: * Tomiii (~Tommiii@garza.riseup.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets << lolwut.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: davout the sort of dutch oven i use is also made of clay.
mircea_popescu: lmao. browsers top 10 : HTTrack 33.4 % Unknown 32.1 % Google Chrome 11.4 % etc.