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mircea_popescu: whether "you
think it'll work" or not makes zero
the fuck difference.
mircea_popescu: the precondition
to action is NOT some sort of evaluation whereby action's salutary, or effectual.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
the failure in
this
thinking is
that "smart boi wants
to use his smarts in war".
mircea_popescu: this slippery slope of idiocy, "i really should have beaten
the wife, but since i haven't, can't now beat daughter".
mircea_popescu: the question is WHY, not in
their
terms but in mine, as
the onl ypermisible
terms. not "why does
the moron decide
to misrepresent his
taks as impossible", but "why did he give up"
mircea_popescu: and yes, "to give up" as
the reality is disguised in-universe, in
the works of fiction populating stupid heads, as "can't"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
this
takes us back round
to
the question : why gave up ?
mircea_popescu: was alternative : goes
to politburo, says "either you start hanging 10% of youth each year until
they produce alternative, or else we can all hang
today"
mircea_popescu: suppose i said "we can't afford
to make new loggers yet again" ?
mircea_popescu: specifically because it puts
the female herd in line,
turning
them from "free"
to slave.
mircea_popescu: pike really was much more important instrument
than commonly realised. i would say it was
the first AND FOREMOST man-made
tool.
mircea_popescu: and pike changed society from matriarchy
to patriarchy, because provided effectual control
to female wail behaviour : poking with sharpened stick.
mircea_popescu: something like pantsuitism started in stone age,
then man discovered pike
mircea_popescu: there wasn't a socialism before all
that ; and
there won't be a socialism in
the future.
mircea_popescu: but,
the birth of "altruism" is
the red
thread in
the whole pile of idiotic italian nonsense : mid 1800s is where it all starts.
mircea_popescu: and in
the soviets, who copied it from
the germans
they defeated.
mircea_popescu: in
the us
through
the italian diaspora, producing roosevelt and his nonsense, "bipartisan state" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: this fruited among
the lesser barbarians in
three places : in germany
through cultural osmosis, producing
the
thing copied after musolini
mircea_popescu: to "fix"
this by
their own lights,
they came up with a wad of poisonous inept bullshit,
to
their best estimation perfectly engineered
to end -- not
the world, not
the need of
the world
to be managed, but
the ~possibility of managing it~, in-universe fantastically called "habsburg rule'/
mircea_popescu: because
they're "great people" in
the sense of latins, 2k years prior, had been. so
their
team already won, why should
they have
to do work! REALITY IS UNFAIR!!!
mircea_popescu: the unfairness of
this situation wasn't, mind,
that
they were imbeciles, but
that ~it is unfair~
that ~THINGS SHOULD BE SO~!!!!
mircea_popescu: being idle imbecile fuckwits and regrettably still around as well
they shouldnt',
the italians deeply resented
this situation, where
the austrians administered
them well as slaves, whereas
they
themselves couldn't, on
their own strength, as much as organize a cup of coffee
mircea_popescu: the italians were being administered by
the house of habsburg, because
they were idle imbecile fuckwits
throughout
their existence.
mircea_popescu: which is why
the sun reference.
there's no possible way
the hydrogen atoms "could organize
themselves"
to do anything
to or about
the brown dwarf future. it's foretold, and will be exectued exactly at foretold, millions of years hence.
mircea_popescu: its failure
therefore,
to my eye, is not in any sense meaningful,
there's no zoon involved. it's pure and simple bion, a matter of fermentation rather
than politics.
mircea_popescu: but,
to round it off :
the substantial difference between 2nd socialism and 3rd socialism is
that 2nd ~actually had enough substance~
to constitute something someone could give up ~on~.
BingoBoingo: As DNC high elder Gabbard declared Clinton's brand
too
toxic
to
try rigging
the game around. Was shunned.
Then
TMSR broke DNC couple months later.
mircea_popescu: the
thing it gave up on was garbage collected
through whatever method. but
the causative agent was
THAT GIVING UP.
mircea_popescu: anyway, far from "oh, kgb sold off sovok",
the fundamental problem was simply
that soviet man ~gave up~.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not clear
to me what you're asking above ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose what happened
to all of
them is
the same
thing : one day
their derealization came home
to roost, and
they were so alienated from
their own existence,
they hadn't actually prepared for
the event.
mircea_popescu: the flow of history doth in fact inform and ground
the view, however. "what happened
to phf ?!" is not so important about
the one
tard ; but rather, instructive as
to
the failure mode of a sort of mind.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
Tried
to de-Clintonize
too soon.
The losers have
to hate.
mircea_popescu: i should prolly have a better link,
there's somewhere in
the logs where we discuss
this mystery, of why and wherefore soviet
thinking man simply laid over and gave up in
the 80s.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-01 15:45:29 mircea_popescu:
the "consummer affair" is
the gringo's exact version of
the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like
they always do, btw)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:24:33 asciilifeform: '91 was simply culmination of
this process, when pretense fell away.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:44:51 mircea_popescu: anyway,
to make
the point for
the 9`000th
time in
the general, because unlike
the previous 8`999th
times prior, each exactly proven correct and each exactly disavowed
the very next morning,
THERE IS NOTHING CONTROLLED ABOUT INCA WORLD.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:54:41 BingoBoingo: Anyways,
the state of
the US left is such
that
the ONE anti-war candidate did not make
the latest round of primary debates.
Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough
to get on stage
mircea_popescu: same
thing with being in
the pantsuit, cry yourserlf
to sleep as you will each night,
the perception of mp grinning's still always
there
mircea_popescu: the problem with being on heroin is
that you never really escape
the inkling of actual reality.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> we fucked her in all
the holes last
time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old. << How could
the derealized know?
mircea_popescu: there's... nothing
there, demented morons collecting garbage.
mircea_popescu: we fucked her in all
the holes last
time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:57:22 BingoBoingo: And so
they gotta purge
the accesory organs first. Just *maybe*
that way
they can save
their Cintonium core.
mircea_popescu: not
that
THAT moron didn't hold
the same laughable handshake "beliefs".
BingoBoingo: That
the DNC is dead doesn't mean surviving hangers on won't
try
to put on a show
mircea_popescu can't be arsed
to find
the line, but w/e, was a one day wonder, "knows shit" in his own opinion retard.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
There's
two folks running against
trump in
the Coke primary, none have gravity
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:55:10 asciilifeform: ( why nao cement -- i have nfi. it aint as if anyffin was ever likely
to rise outta
that grave. )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ghostships eventually
touch land one final
time. Whether
the land is seafloor or shore depends
mircea_popescu: they'll just sit and whine at unfairness of elections in general, "why should
there be candidates"
mircea_popescu: looking at
the matter from an in-universe fiction perspective, how
the fuck's
the collection of nobodies gonna enact identity ?
they can't get behind any of
themselves,
they're all scum without exception as paradigmatic criteria.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i can't conceive how
the pantsuit will manage
to get a candidate. for one
thing,
trump did in fact end
the dnc, as discussed in
the logs.
mircea_popescu: it's also a red herring : it's generally
the orphans that rule. at
the very least since modern era, because fathers suck balls.
BingoBoingo: Anyways,
the state of
the US left is such
that
the ONE anti-war candidate did not make
the latest round of primary debates.
Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough
to get on stage
mircea_popescu: in general,
the "sons of
the gulag" will rule rather
than
the "sons of red guard" because both oppression and posterity are generally
the lot of
the more numerous.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:45:46 asciilifeform: 'old age &
treachery beat youth & vigour erry
time' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
that is a similarity without substance, much like saying "dentist and opera writer similar,
they ask others
to vocalize"
BingoBoingo: As
the boomers used
to say "Don't
trust anyone over 30" is how
they keep
the purges rolling
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:48:51 asciilifeform:
this being said -- will be interesting
to see which 'bob beck' is crowned as 'new rms'.
mircea_popescu: it's unclear in what similar.
those people were getting laid.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:39:40 asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all
the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running
the farm',
the farm is still a farm and farmer is still
the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
mircea_popescu: well, conceivable we search better once we get
the historical bundle, afaik
this is prior
to your logs ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-02 06:48:29 a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:24 mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just
trying
to put
together
the monthy address; In one
to
three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?