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mircea_popescu: what started as
a service for folks too simple to understand why they do not wish to be /user/1004555
decimation: mircea_popescu is performing
a service for folks too poor to afford
a lawyer
Chillum:
a toothless old lady shrieking at people
Chillum: DMCA make
a lot of things illegal but does not provide an easy path to conviction
decimation: but that would be something for
a judge to sort out I suppose
mircea_popescu: misusing it in this manner is
a misdemeanor, and more importantly,
a path to civil liability.
Guest64542: Mr. P: is it possible that scraping data is
a violation of FetLife's TOU?
Chillum: the high school nickname is
a coincidence
Chillum is grooving the Thelonious Monk's - Monk's Dream with
a puff of smoke
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I suspect that anyone who has standing to assert section 512(f) probably will get
a settlement
assbot: Using
a DMCA takedown notice to assert
a trademark claim may lead to section 512(f) liability - Lexology ... (
http://bit.ly/1Duf0ed )
mircea_popescu: there is such
a thing as joint and several liability. let the dc sue them.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's
a sad state of affairs for actual providers. they're stuck in the middle. can't really pay good lawyers, can't really exactly judge when customer is going to turn around and bitchslap them with
a ten ton hammer...
mircea_popescu: if you have any experience with contemporary us law, this should be
a familiar pattern
Guest64542: I'm not an expert on DMCA, but I do kind of get the idea that all you did was post links to the profiles, and I don't see how that would be
a copyright violation
mircea_popescu: internet brigading is
a great way to deal with nobodies, but you run the risk of stepping on the tail of someone who is actually powerful, on occasion, at which point the whole thing backfires.
mircea_popescu: as
a warning for later muppets on the score of "fuck with people you don't know"
decimation: i can see how the dc is in
a tough spot
Guest64542: before your site went offline, I did have
a chance to read the DMCA takedown notice and your response
mircea_popescu: some dude claiming to be "from fetlife" made
a proper dmca notification, which i counter-notified
mircea_popescu: aite. so basically, i saw something, said something. fetlife misjudged itself, and sent
a spurious "trademark infringement" claim to the dc.
Guest64542: I know what bitcoin is. I have not actually used it. Before logging into this IRC, I read
a little bit about who you are. So I have some idea
Guest64542: I have
a profile at FetLife, and I have seen
a rather lively debate there about this. But I haven't formed an opinion yet. I thought it would be interesting to talk directly with you about instead of relying on
a lot of chatter
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 15:41:18; dignork: mircea_popescu: on
a concept level lurkmore is
a copy of encyclopedia dramatica, but they do much better job imho
Chillum: unless they can provide
a reliable source to back it up
Chillum: decimation: I have
a javascript snipet that shows me pages in the "attack page" category. Every so often someone makes
a page describing what
a fag some other person is and an editor markes it as an attack page
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 i ended up making
a profile at some point. read some "build from the ground up with security in mind" verbiage from the baku character, sounded exactly like the bitcoin scammer broken record.
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe ed is actually
a better wiki than wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 actually, they are picking
a fight with me. i generally end fights.
Chillum: Wikipedia says clearly it is not
a reliable source and it never pretends to be
Guest64542: Mr P: I don't understand why you are picking
a fight with them
Chillum: really if you don't know how much confidence to give
a given data source then that is
a failure to comprehend
Chillum: I know
a boob using
a tool wrong
mircea_popescu: this is
a rube goldberg cube. entertaining, for us. wasteful, for the random derp/.
Chillum: give
a fool
a hammer and
a nail and they will stick their ear to the floor
mircea_popescu: no, iut's
a tool for laymen to bolt down their ignorance in such
a way that they'll never ever become good, at anything.
mircea_popescu: but it packages it with
a very dangerous false sense of competence.
Chillum: any serious academic knows an encyclopedia is not
a reliable source and is just
a tool for laymen to get
a basic understanding of
a subject
mircea_popescu: it's
a starting point for misunderstanding, which wouldn't be
a big deal
Chillum: mircea_popescu: it is nothing more than
a starting point for understanding
mircea_popescu: Chillum everything even remotely worth reading is out of the scope of
a wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: presenting rank ignorance as, rather than humiliatory,
a sort of "problem". it's no problem.
decimation: moldbug would say that pinker would gladly suck the cock of
a nyt writer so he can be published in the 'grey lady'
Chillum: when writing
a tertiary source like an encyclopedia one must rely on experts only, original research is forbidden. It is meant to document the information that already exists without adding opinion
mircea_popescu: "[W]hen
a writer’s education on
a topic consists in interviewing an expert, he is apt to offer generalizations that are banal, obtuse or flat wrong." << in romanian this is known as "
a waiter at one of these places where university professors gather can actually soak up
a lot, often enough to pass himself for one"
Chillum: half
a brain is the key point
decimation: Chillum: but who would give
a fuck about your hammering?
Chillum: it is the smart subtle ddos that can run from
a raspberry pi on
a dail-up
Chillum: that is the difference between
a script kiddie and someone who is actually doing stuff
mircea_popescu: Guest64542 nah, inept dc caved over
a fraudulent dmca notice. will be skinning them for it, next week.
Chillum: there are so many ways to fuck with
a web server that they can't get them all
Chillum: pause for 5 minutes between the header name and header value works for
a lot
Chillum: on
a lever, the more you moved it the faster it went
Chillum: well this one was not busy work, it needed
a driver
Chillum: they eventually sold the elevator car and motor and used the cash to renovate the whole building, and get
a modern elevator
Chillum: I lived in
a shitty building for
a while called "The Ritz", ironically
Chillum: on
a wiki I could fix that
Chillum: Did you know that gribble is
a real person? Never sleeps, can do bitcoin sigs and PGP in his head.
mircea_popescu: we had
a guy, long ago, that cared. it is to his memory that i dedicate that line.
Chillum: well it is on
a public website for download and based off code with
a free license that carries on to derivitive works, so what should I think?
Chillum: it is based off of
a license that require derivitive works to follow the same license so I think it is\
mircea_popescu: the reason is that... as decimation points out... nobody gives
a shit about wikipedia
Chillum: the begging is super lame, they already have
a huge stockpile of donations
mircea_popescu: Chillum last i saw the begging campaign, it was
a very pointed "sucks we can't afford 1/100000000 of what google can"
Chillum: well it is
a serious acedemic project aimed at making the realm of copyrighted free and available to all
mircea_popescu: this is what an encyclopedia is. not
a piling of "information", as the acultural imagine.
mircea_popescu: an encyclopedia, fundamentally, imposes
a political hierarchy upon the world, and that of
a known and verifiable pedigree.
Chillum: again you make
a point and I strain to understand what it has to do with the conversation