asciilifeform: *ulan

asciilifeform: like ulab batur !!11

asciilifeform: e

asciilifeform: hey it could mov

asciilifeform: but have to ~explicitly~ do it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can trivially define a partial ordering when sorting

asciilifeform: while drinking benzene by the litre.

asciilifeform: is talking-to-the-stove.

asciilifeform: asking what 'A' + 'B' is equal to,

asciilifeform: and it is ~wrong~ to IMPLICITLY arithmetize on non-arithmetic objects.

asciilifeform: the committee could not and did not, afaik, remotely contemplate attempting to invent unicode or similar.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is NOT a 'the alphabet' in the cl standard !

asciilifeform: phf: l0l!! everybody has this problem, aha

asciilifeform: ^ sbcl 1.1.6

asciilifeform: The value #\b is not of type NUMBER.

asciilifeform: #<THREAD "main thread" RUNNING {1002A18C03}>:

asciilifeform: debugger invoked on a TYPE-ERROR in thread

asciilifeform: * (> #\b #\a)

asciilifeform: returns whatever satan prepared for this sinful occasion, yes.

asciilifeform: and they are not ordered.

asciilifeform: they are not a ring.

asciilifeform: mno.

asciilifeform: BUT they are not a ring.

asciilifeform: only in the sense everything else on the machine is.

asciilifeform: could've just as easily been a ^

asciilifeform: it's what grew on the keyboard.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is an in-band magic sequence denoting a named character

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pound-quote

asciilifeform: phf: and yet one still finds people arithmetizing on characters, thinking that they are doing nothing wrong, then wondering why unicode is retarded and anything involving it is a crock of shit where so much as a fart runs in O(N) at best

asciilifeform: was this the old-unixen thread ?

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: etc

asciilifeform: i get it, mircea_popescu wants boyer-moore

asciilifeform: how else

asciilifeform: this is how search on an unsorted list works anywhere in the universe

asciilifeform: by default, it starts from beginning and iterates, comparing each thing, until finds or until runs out of thing.

asciilifeform: on any system

asciilifeform: this is not implicit in the act of searching

asciilifeform: what part of this is a mega-mystery.

asciilifeform: the machine will compare every element to your search item.

asciilifeform: know that ~somebody~ must have.

asciilifeform: but, as when reading a municipal fire code,

asciilifeform: (who would? i've nfi)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was a warning not to attach side effects to the act of comparison

asciilifeform: you can search any set of anything for which equality is defined!

asciilifeform: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_search.htm

asciilifeform: characters as a distinct animal from numerics.

asciilifeform: and it is a preemptive and permanent cure for the unicode retardation.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is CORRECT

asciilifeform: 'Each character code is composed from a character script and a character label. The convention by which a character script and character label compose a character code is implementation dependent. [X3J13 did not approve all parts of the proposal from its Subcommittee on Characters. As a result, some features that were approved appear to have no purpose.'

asciilifeform: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node135.html

asciilifeform: and so the result was, as always is from committee, a chimera.

asciilifeform: but it was nixed, because folks other than symbolics were allowed to have their tard-say

asciilifeform: note ^

asciilifeform: non-interchangeable with numerics

asciilifeform: it is how character became a distinct type

asciilifeform: phf: iirc originally standard was to understand what glyphs are

asciilifeform: l0l trinque missed mega-thr3ad

asciilifeform: these buggers ~won~, in the sense of extinguishing all life in anything they touched.

asciilifeform: OWL.

asciilifeform: .

asciilifeform: see, e.g., RDF/

asciilifeform: fond of 'libraryizing', categorizing, classifying, filing and misfiling.

asciilifeform: and the bloody mess worked as a magnet for ten thousand insect men

asciilifeform: arguably, even NOW.

asciilifeform: ibm cavorted in a 'lisp never happened' parallel universe for a loooong time.

asciilifeform: like any proper кощей.

asciilifeform: searched for a way to sink a claw into the living.

asciilifeform: knowing that it Musted Die

asciilifeform: incidentally, sgml was ibm grasping for a relevance toehold

asciilifeform: i can write an exploitable calculator, what of it.

asciilifeform: exploitability does not drop from the sky, no.

asciilifeform: you are actually looking at it right now.

asciilifeform: and it worked.

asciilifeform: 'truetype', the thing that made the adobe partners rich, was actually this

asciilifeform: in the now very familiar usgtronic sense.

asciilifeform: and bloviating louts got to 'solve' the 'problem'

asciilifeform: and 'reasoned' from there

asciilifeform: the whole xml (actually sgml, the root of the disease) crock of shit was fundamentally an intellectual crime in that it set out by pretending that sexpr did not exist, that lisp never happened

asciilifeform: it was a classical 'committee' thing.

asciilifeform: the wrong people had a seat at the table.

asciilifeform: thing is, anything the xml folks did was doomed to be an act of retardation. because they ~were~ the wrong people.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: i'm half-convinced that naggum painfully killed himself to pay for xml.

asciilifeform: (in .MOD, instrument patches are part of the file)

asciilifeform: in a logical way

asciilifeform: i.e. you would embed the glyph, if it is a non-traditional one, and represented as an s-expr driving a vectorizer

asciilifeform: but in point of fact glyphs ought to work like amiga .MOD music file format.

asciilifeform: culture stopped.

asciilifeform: eh that's easy

asciilifeform: finite includes the symbols of cultured men

asciilifeform: in fact, this is exactly the kind of error that gave us xml

asciilifeform: as the xml bozos taught us, to much grief

asciilifeform: y'know, just because you force the 8th bit of every bt to 0 doesn't make it 'human-readable'

asciilifeform: takes an expert entomologist to distinguish the result

asciilifeform: as mathemasturbatory abusers from symbols

asciilifeform: lacan et al made the exact same kind of salad from words

asciilifeform: 'tenser, said the tensor' (tm) (r) (bester)

asciilifeform: wai wut

asciilifeform: whether roman frescoes or 19th c. mathematics.