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mircea_popescu: looky : neither the egyptians nor the greeks were mathematically zeroes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BUT if the product was any good, it always got redone and typeset properly << "if the product were any good it was always mass produced". hurr.
mircea_popescu: so let it be said : that alphabet can NAME way more things than your symbolics can ever dream to represent. and for that matter, that from the multi-millenarian history of world culture, alphabetic notation does indeed convey richer, more numerous ideas in less space than hyeroglypghics do. which is why we fucked the chinese, and why egypt is muslim now.
mircea_popescu: his work, on the machines, is actually quite lispy. in the ONLY UPPERCASE EXISTS sense of lispy
mircea_popescu: he did, yes, but i won't count it because at his time (40s) he had no other options.
mircea_popescu: the difference between a thinking man and a hack is that a hack goes "hey, i can't explain this without a blackboard"
mircea_popescu: so did newton. so did all of them. so did fucking feynman which is WHY youadmire him
mircea_popescu: don't idly suppose you're better than the greeks just because you have more maggots eating more cans of spam.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will note THEY ALSO DID NOT NEED TO.
mircea_popescu: now what's the symbol for hypotenuse ? or do we not know this exists.
mircea_popescu: "pătratul lungimii ipotenuzei este egal cu suma pătratelor catetelor"
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> RSA offers a longer hisotry of being studied and attacked << more importantly, it actually fits in head. a 12 yo's head.
mircea_popescu: there IS however a fucking marked cost. and it's of the "how do we make colored unicode people" type.
mircea_popescu: "∀ x ∈ R ∃! y ∈ R ∋ x + y = 0" offers exactly no benefit over "for any real number there exists another real number so that the two add to 0".
mircea_popescu: you can say "for any x" just as well as you can say " ∀ x".
mircea_popescu: the computer ain't working any better because it "knows" supposedly that ∀. and neither is anything else.
mircea_popescu: but as far the machine is concerned, there is no difference between sum-sigma and letter-sigma. nor any meaning to any symbol. and so the whole "oh we gotta have universal quantifier as a symbol" is to my eyes an exercise of naming the function "understanding" so as to get ai.
mircea_popescu: at the rate this discussion is going, the alt-"lisp" will need a pun function which tells you if the string was used in pun.
mircea_popescu: or in a less charitable view, it's a half assed attempt to hand-gcc.
mircea_popescu: phf well if you have this tag-and-glyph duality you're wide fucking open to the issue.
mircea_popescu: it'[s not that "my girlfriendf" and "his wife" all "look like the same woman"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a matter of "glyph". A actually is both.
mircea_popescu: but i think it's very instructive because i suspect we're uncovering a psychotron here.
mircea_popescu: attempting to make the sign carry your guts is not going to result in a functioning computer.
mircea_popescu: there is no actual meaning to proposing Σ-which-i-interpreted-as-sum and Σ-which-i-interpreted-as-plotin are somehow different in the "eq" manner but similar in the "equal" manner.
mircea_popescu: Tubro, the fat Panamanian God of Money is a useful notion
mircea_popescu: i don't see why you think this answer is not retarded.
mircea_popescu: do you get a Σ to be the sum and a self-same Σ to be the uppercase sigma ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so logically, the tensor is the lowercase of the sum, and it's equal to two Cs
mircea_popescu: phf which is why i said, it's contrary to everything he was saying.
mircea_popescu: so do we have the complete set of "meaningfully-toggleable properties" of characters set in stone ?
mircea_popescu: isn't this contrary to everything you been saying to date ?
mircea_popescu: mno, i am merely in the habit of having a mendelev table on my fucking wall.
mircea_popescu: suppose you limit yourself to a hundred or so of these.
mircea_popescu: you actually aim to use a dword for the alphabet encoding ?
mircea_popescu: there's as the romanians say, "mai e mult pina departe". there's a lot to go to far away.
mircea_popescu: while the idea that "letters aren't numbers, sit down" is sound,
mircea_popescu: anyway. i have nothing against lisp, neither historically nor intellectually. but this is an unsatisfactory notion of an alphabet.
mircea_popescu: depending on who you asked, it was "not clear" that mpex will bury mtgox, let alone bitcoinica.
mircea_popescu: i have had enough seawater in the shape of bitcoin genesis
mircea_popescu: anyway. i have no intention to bake in historical idiocy, and especially not of this ilk.
mircea_popescu: it's after all what mpex did. the children did go away.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with "fuck you, you're childrten, go away. this is the spec."
mircea_popescu: phf and if idiots make functions going ___function where in the ordered list do i look for them ?
mircea_popescu: and no, i won't be looking for the beatles records past the why records.