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thestringpuller: for if I wanted to test that.
mod6: aight. so yeah, stay tuned. as soon as I get anything working with static libs and static linking of the output object files from the bitcoin source base, I'll give an update.
thestringpuller: okay i see. been a lot longer than I realize before really looking at C/C++ code. (although this i pretty much all boost which I guess alf pointed out)
mod6: for the last 48 hours i've been working on trying to get it to build against static libs.
mod6: when statically linking via the makefile.unix that's included with v0.5.3, I can't even get mine to compile correctly. So, I'll be spending a lot of time probably re-writing the entire makefile
punkman: I compiled and run up to wedge on deb 7
thestringpuller: i didn't grok that sentence sorry
mod6: ok thats awesome. although, i think what everyone has been running up to now is a dynamically linked version of the output binary. which shouldn't even be availab.e
thestringpuller: i'll wait until it either hits a wall or gets current.
thestringpuller: if it gets current blockheight, i'll open up ports and run this as my full node instead of 0.8 version was tricked in to using.
mod6: well, remember, I've personally gotten past that block probably a dozen times with openssl 0.9.8o with config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 }
thestringpuller: i don't think it will if its running 0.9.8 ssl
danielpbarron: i'm not sure how much of it he sincerely believes, and how much is an attempt to get a rise out of me
asciilifeform: why the surge of 'i love the fuhrer'
asciilifeform: and did i miss some political wank or other? did they have a public impalement of heretics on the washington monument, and i missed this ?
punkman: just xanthyos I suppose
asciilifeform: i go out for just one hour to workshop, and what do you know, we have new surrender-monkeys ?
punkman: ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you << lolwut
mircea_popescu: the notion that you may participate without understanding is like... well, what all comedy gold is made out of, i guess.
benjamindees: I've read everything you linked so far. It seems mostly sarcastic, which I don't really follow since I don't read your logs anyways.
mircea_popescu: i do not correct you, you're not tim fucking swanson. you correct you.
benjamindees: I've seen a couple of people say similar things. It seemed natural that if you are for a 1MB limit, you would be for sidechains as an avenue for growth or at least to keep the alts at bay.
benjamindees: Adlai, I'm wondering what you all think about it. I was under the impression you were for the idea.
Adlai: benjamindees: wait, let's back up a bit, if not for your then my sake. what's the point of sidechains? i don't think it's "paying for bitcoin mining"
benjamindees: "there are two avenues to pay for it." <-- I disagree with this, by the way. The third avenue is to pay for it with more transactions, since the major costs (mining) are fixed.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: arguably, the main/relevant effect of 'sidechains' to date has been funnelling VC money into subsidizing full nodes... although i guess you don't trust full nodes run by those people... but you don't have to because bitcoin
xanthyos: i want no affiliation with mircea_popescu the slave holder
Adlai: benjamindees: i just gave you the shortcut, i believe you misprounounced "thanks"
xanthyos: please rate me down so i can't voice myself in this terrorist room anymore
xanthyos: i am only in bitcoin as a hobbyist poker player, i love obama
xanthyos: to all USG people reading this log i am not antistatist or anti FIAT and i will turn states evidence on danielpbarron
benjamindees: I'm asking more from a philosophical perspective.
Adlai: no, i feel rather ignorant of them. i understand the technical description in the paper, but haven't given it enough thought to be for or against. i can't speak for other people in this channel.
Adlai: i mean, if he's asking to get the police involved, don't they love responding to death threats?
ruin_dpbs_life: mircea_popescu: you do business wiht dpb i'll get the police in volved
ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you
Adlai: it's an interesting idea, although i must say that - as i understand it without having read the entire paper - it's too deterministic for my tastes. i kinda like the idea of deliberately random behavior.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: i'll take that as a "haven't heard/cared about it", which is still a datapoint
mircea_popescu: good fer it i guess.
Adlai: when you designed mpex's 'quantum' matching engine, did you consider proposals of the "frequent batch auction" persuasion? i have no stake in this idea, just collecting opinions on it, as i form my own
Adlai: i won't dispute that nature computes.
Adlai: it's definitely something else, not "human" - but does it act in its own rational self interest? i'm not sure the concept of "self interest" is meaningful when you're talking about "nature"
Adlai: i'm not convinced that "nature" as a whole can be considered an "econ"
Adlai: dunno, nature can still matter, even if individual snowflakes in an avalanche or looters in a mob, could be removed without significantly affecting the whole. i choose the mob analogy purposefully, because these effects are rarely (ever?) constructive... construction seems to take either "superhuman" capacity (and effort), or enough time for differential reproductive fitness to do its thing
mircea_popescu: if this is how you redefine your humans, i will change "don't exist" to "don't matter".
Adlai: i guess we just have different definitions of the word "human". mine is preceded with a huge "only".
Adlai: i guess it would depend on the profitability, which starts getting outside the scope of bitcoin itself
Adlai: still, i'm not sure that there's a rational incentive to add energy to mining activity once X% of the planet's energy expenditure is dedicated to mining
Adlai: ok, i see
mircea_popescu: i suppose the next step is, "participate in derpland has talent with your tv set!" and hopefully that'll relieve us of most of the current imbeciles online.
kakobrekla: somehow i missed this also https://static.slo-tech.com/63610.jpg
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Thanks, but unfortunately it is already late in my part of the world. Perhaps send any questions via email and I'll try to respond in ~10hours (after sleep). Email: basil@reqrypt.org"
danielpbarron: i hope you guys aren't relying solely on me to achieve those ends; a lot of this is totally new territory for me
danielpbarron: ah, i had a feeling that was the case
thestringpuller: i can send him pm in reddit
thestringpuller: all i have is his github and reddit usernames
BingoBoingo: The point of this project is to provide a full node that has an explicit goal of supporting the needs of SPV app developers, as well as a place to try out more experimental changes in general. Through the course of 2013 I feel that the upstream Bitcoin Core project has become a relatively unpredictable place and I no longer feel sure that we can improve SPV mode or even that they will continue to support it at all. Bitcoin XT will
mircea_popescu: cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg << ahgahaah wtf!
mircea_popescu: cazalla: more lulzy shit at http://www.canadianbusiness.com << all these biogas precursors are in for a rude awakening. at some point they'll discover that while I have the power to make something a problem by calling it a problem, they do not (any more).
mircea_popescu: im gonna have to make another div payment set without a deed registrar aren't i.
danielpbarron: also, i have sucessully re-installed the OS on one of them multiple times; it is possible to screw up the install and recover from it without any major disassembly required
danielpbarron: i suspected harddrive read/write was the bottleneck back when i was building my first full node
danielpbarron: i like amex because they gave me a card without me giving them my slave id number, although i suspect they just looked it up from some database
Adlai: which is why i'm sticking to government-mined altcoins
Adlai: although i guess that's more due to s/ume/atility/
Adlai: my long-term (years/decades) plan for scalpl, assuming i don't lose interest by then, is commodities, since i'm hoping by that point "forex" becomes a quaint anachronism
Adlai: one issue i'm thinking about right now is whether this is really the kind of investment mpif is after: the last two days have generated an (unrealized) loss, despite the overall portfolio valuation jumping by ~$50 per bot
BingoBoingo: Adlai: When I was enlisted it was 10% of profit from the first year and negotiable beyond that after having lived a year. Market I traded lost its trade worthiness sooner than the one year though.
cazalla: so the telco here has a campaign where they will publish your texts on their billboard above one of their stores.. http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg
asciilifeform: if there is evidence of usg crafting functioning but diddled parts for a mass-produced machine, slipping'em in, etc. prior to this cribbing, i for one do not know of it
asciilifeform: ^ the incident itself is quite famous, but i somehow escaped knowing that the detailed reversing of the bug was made public
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/I9Y4Leo.jpg << unrelated vintage lulz
punkman: (I'll mention again that if you let VerifySignature run on all tx's, it blows up much sooner than block 168000)
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1017753 << I was more wondering how much cruft we'll need for that. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
ben_vulpes: iirc, i hit 70.
ben_vulpes: i got a reckless driving charge one time.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think they have the nub of a good idea, having all the steps in manufacturing clearly brought out in one spot
decimation: I guess wreckless would be safe driving :)
asciilifeform: as i understand, it is severely antieconomic and cannot really go anywhere
asciilifeform: in short, i am presently at a loss as to what this is good for, how, and why...
asciilifeform: their selection is, i'd say, rather spotty
decimation: ah, I will upload something and see what I can do
decimation: yes, I couldn't find any mention of the costs of 'non-house' parts
asciilifeform: nah, i think i figured it out
decimation: I suspect they are using one of those 'ink jet' solder paste printers
asciilifeform: but i could also live with a pill that propels me on morning commute by enabling me to fart ponies
decimation: I'm not sure how they 'make it up on volume' if they have to hand place parts on the whole thing
asciilifeform: i could live, for example, with an outfit that would crap out the board and place just the passives (then i xray the damn thing here. and place the actives personally)
decimation: I guess because they can't write an http uploader that works?
asciilifeform: i assume they will all 'mistreat the data'
decimation: asciilifeform: hehe yeah I wondered when you were to walk into that
decimation: asciilifeform: I find kicad amusing - when you go to download they have a little description begging not to download the 'old stable' version
asciilifeform: kikad is unusable on linux (on every box i own) - gui redraw bug
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so do mine. but at least a) i actually fuck them and b) i don't take them without a significant prior investment from other people.
decimation: I might try kicad to see what it does
asciilifeform: decimation: and demands weird gerber layers that i haven't got
asciilifeform: decimation: 'macrofab' << i worked through an entire board.
mircea_popescu: your average doobie, with a mediocre college degree and an ESL culture mostly geared towards ingested summaries is perfectly unable to decode metaphor or recognise complex enough patterns and fill in the gaps. this to him is frustrating, and the frustration is predictably resolved by lashing out (hey, it's the guy fault for using rferences i have to google and math i don't grok!11). in no way better than a clinical mor