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mircea_popescu: "no sooner said
than done" is
the constant refrain of
the folk
tales ruinning
through such goodfolk's heads at all
times.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 19:13 asciilifeform: i suspect
that i see
the fundamental problem of
these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) --
they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for
them
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699345 << in retrospect
this is likely
the underpinning.
there's no conception of "there are
things
that can be said, and
there are
things
that can be done, and
these are not
the same
things" uniting all
the efforts of "anti"-bitcoin-because-statist and "anti"-bitcoin-because-i-dunno-what-money-is and "liberals" because niceness and free food! and so on.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: withdraws in stamp collecting or w/e
the fuck it is he does.
mircea_popescu: the cowboy does not sumarily execute
the dude, chain
the dumb cunt naked
to a pole, whip her bloody and have her gang raped by
the local mongrels, and so
to spend
the rest of her life.
mircea_popescu: a, great film. anyway, summary : dude (ie, inept manchild) and actual cowboy compete for cunt.
the cunt is indescribably dumb (really, just mouthpiece for ideological choices of author), picks dude.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: whole fucking point of goldbuggery is derealization, in
the vein of "great old west" cowboy-staring-at-horizon, "Better days" etc.
mircea_popescu: (hitler/swastica/etc are dead franchises in
this sense.
they can't advertise with it.
though
they'd love
to.)
mircea_popescu: (there's
two kinds of fandom rebellion, as far as
the producers are concerned. fixable and unfixable. as
the latter accumulate franchises die)
mircea_popescu: can
take way over 5 years. in fact,
this demo splice goes out with
the demo itself, it's not heal-abl;e from
the sony pov.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how
there's old hookers out
there who don't agree britney was never anything.
mircea_popescu: there's
this defense strategy in welfare societies whereby one has among
the vast arrays of self-granted options also
the option
to "disagree" with such
things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect
the gold people are very subjectively hurt by bitcoin doing what gold "Was supposed
to do" and haet.
trinque: they'd all vote and
the consensus rules would change. what do you
think all
the derping around
that has been?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at
the rate btc is going, 2030 seems way
too far out.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
this zippy item is apparently
the life work of some dedicated individual, who spent years
toiling in obscurity.
mircea_popescu: hey,
there's
that bitcoin on
todd's head or whoever's ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 17:15 mircea_popescu: valica_
the problem is not
that it's not perfect. it is not perfectible. what you learn
through
this approach is how
to never learn crypto.
trinque: why'd a religious person want
the responsibility of hard crypto anyway. he needs god himself
to declare he exists; anything short of
that, existential
terror. what individual?
mircea_popescu: i suppose up
to a certai npoint a desire
to manipulate
the future is understandable in animals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd rather simply ignore
the whole "promise" bs on
the simple grounds of
the cause/purpose dichotomy and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: (as far as beat cop is concerned,
there's a very marked difference between "this guy is a drunk!!" "uh... who is
this woman ?" on one hand and "this guy is a drunk!" "oh yeah, well you're a whore!" on
the other hand.)
mircea_popescu: well he's unreadable, but anyway,
this guy seemed very incensed by him in
the strangest of ways : as if what
the dood made sense, and he disagreed.
mircea_popescu: fucking utf or w/e you call
the anime faces bullshit. onl;y actual gesture
that's missing from written form, and
that's
the one
they omit.
r0nin-: asciiliforeform: again,
those 'pieces of papers' are securities
that entitle you
to certain rights.
mircea_popescu: it's not my fault we have a lengthy yearn
to unroll here, so
take it easy an' help out maybe we get
to something useful.
mircea_popescu: the quesiton was "i suppose at
this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you
to define it and you do. go ahead."
mircea_popescu: r0nin- again, and for
teh last
time : if you don't answer
the questions you will get silenced.
r0nin-: at
the end of
the day, bitcoin is a rehash of all
the errors of gold except in digital format
mircea_popescu: i suppose at
this juncture i inquire whether you know what a definition is, and you say yes, and i ask you
to define it and you do. go ahead.
ave1: asciilifeform:
thx, I saw it coming by, but was so deed in
this
try
that I did not look yet, (looks nice)
r0nin-: matter gold is
the substance
that human beings have most irrationally desired, desired in a way most purely disconnected from objective reality.
r0nin-: The most pure form of anti-realist value is distilled and concentrated human subjective evaluation: value with no object.
The only
thing more pure
than gold would be nothing at all, but of course even
the most ardent anti-realist cannot escape from objective reality. Because he cannot store pure concentrate of human will in a vault,
the anti-realist stores gold; because at least as an historical
trinque: r0nin-:
there is a distinction between a sovereign person and a sovereign people, eh?
ave1: asciilifeform: I would probably not have
thought about
the L > 8
test otherwise
mircea_popescu: but, let it be noted
that as i was eating a savarine writing it, it chiefly is a savarin preable.
r0nin-: welcome
to 19th century liberalism
r0nin-: We hold
these
truths
to be self-evident :
that no men nor women are created, but born ;
that nothing ever is or could be equal
to any other
thing ;
that each man and each woman are sovereign entities and
the sole sovereign entities
r0nin-: nice pre-amble. so we are advocating liberalism as
the ideal ?
ave1: asciilifeform: but it works, and for me was a good way
to review karatsuba code
ave1: asciilifeform: yes it's
terrible
r0nin-: how isnt it? his ideal form of money was one
that swelled in value from other peoples labor
ave1: asciiliform: BTW maybe I missed it but why do comba when L <= 8? does
this come from speed
testing?
ave1: asciilifeform: Aha, should read Knuth more, I now did it by some
thinking about it (and probably most stupid way)
r0nin-: theres nobody obligated
to accept it in payment of anything
r0nin-: bitcoin doesnt supply
the asset becuase bitcoin has no final demand
mircea_popescu: r0nin- used
to. now, bitcoin supplies
that asset, and nobody can recall what
the usg was.
r0nin-: a USG bond is just a
time deposit
r0nin-: the private sector is a permanent net saver,
the government supplies
the 'asset'
the private sector saves in
ave1: yes, I
thought so, I did
this and it seems
to be
the same speed
too!
r0nin-: the government needs
to 'print'
mircea_popescu: but, for
the exact some money,
the confederacy also hasn't run out of confederate dollars.
mircea_popescu: r0nin- alright.
the claim isn't
that
the usg printing press will somehow malfunction.
r0nin-: mircea: im a bond
trader
mircea_popescu: r0nin- if you don't answer
the questions you'll end up silenced.
r0nin-: fiat money is just a unit of account for debts, whats so difficult
to understand here? claiming you can 'run out of fiat' is like claiming you can run out of 'meters'
to measure a room
mircea_popescu: what exactly is your experience / exposure level
to fiat finance r0nin- ?
r0nin-: the
total is always zero
r0nin-: the
total quantity of all fiat money in existence is zero at all
times
mircea_popescu: this is generally
the problem statists encounter : since
their operative definition of government is ideal ("that
thing we made") as opposed
to real ("that
thing which exists")
they have
trouble understanding how bitcoin can destroy governments while governments can't regulate bitcoin.