asciilifeform: ^ basic mechanics

asciilifeform: mod6: see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_prologue

asciilifeform: (the os in flash thing)

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383869 << we don't have a computer that you can buy that makes this concept have a point ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383848 << 1st time i saw this, i misread, 'two cocks' ☝︎

asciilifeform: if ~global~, the process data segment will be stretched to fit, and if os does not like this, process will get oomkilled on load

asciilifeform: or overflows.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383837 << if it were inside a function, the ~stack~ must contain that many contiguous free bts ☝︎

asciilifeform: the answer depends on whether it is a global declaration or inside a function

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383835 << where ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: polarbeard: where i come from we have a proverb, 'the sapper errs - once.'

asciilifeform: we don't have a computer.

asciilifeform: mod6: the principal obstacle is the lack of a computer.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy link, it very closely resembles an undergrad homework of mine

asciilifeform: mod6: this was my original objective with pogo

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's been playing with Church lang ?!

asciilifeform: i promise to say if i ever manage to cleave these.

asciilifeform is probably both, at least in re: professional life

asciilifeform: to work as intended.

asciilifeform: but that 'has to'

asciilifeform: aha, didn't say it has any danger of happening.

asciilifeform: bits included.

asciilifeform: as in, canonical ~physical object~

asciilifeform: incl. hardware.

asciilifeform: to 1.

asciilifeform: sorta why i say it has to converge.

asciilifeform: mmm.

asciilifeform: dont like it, write me a new one, aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's my motherfucking tx debugger

asciilifeform: i'm not even 100% convinced that it isn't braindamaged yet, must be seen

asciilifeform: very barbaric

asciilifeform: it runs in own thread, you telnet into it

asciilifeform: so you can meaningfully probe the living trb

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i got it to compile ages ago, the tricky bit is to add useful tendrils into it

asciilifeform: with hands.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that i am carrying out presently

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: thread concerned an experiment

asciilifeform: how does linux user know ?

asciilifeform: (i happen to have done both)

asciilifeform: polarbeard: or go to school, if you're the sort of person who goes in for that

asciilifeform: polarbeard: you open a book and read ? start with, e.g., tannenbaum ?

asciilifeform: polarbeard: based on trb.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bsd is retarded from the linux pov (or, if you're a bsd aficionado, vice-versa)

asciilifeform: the actual speed penalty of vmization is perhaps 10%

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not if it gangrenes the code with #ifdefs.

asciilifeform: the way i presently run msdos.

asciilifeform: (if we give it own os, with custom fs, etc)

asciilifeform: perfectly happy to run it in vm on them, if it comes to it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have several.

asciilifeform: folks who 'one box' HAVE NO BUSINESS with bitcoin

asciilifeform: serious toilet-kitchen separation problem

asciilifeform: from where comes this perverse scenario of 'one box'

asciilifeform: that was not the point.

asciilifeform: there is no space in the future for commodore 64, and yet i have one

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mentioned on account of separate-box

asciilifeform: and many folks keep similar winblowz box for games, etc

asciilifeform: that are not fit for any other purpose

asciilifeform: e.g., i have a set of boxes for running winblowz virii on.

asciilifeform: i already have this choice with many other things

asciilifeform: or even compile itself on.

asciilifeform: that you won't play tetris on

asciilifeform: just like missile guidance needs a particular kind of os

asciilifeform: it is a logical necessity.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trying to wiggle out from under this is misguided imho.

asciilifeform: cheaper.

asciilifeform: adlai: why not also suggest placing it on mars ?

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: if somebody wants to maintain a parallel universe 'v' et al where the bsd flags make it go, i will take off my hat to them.

asciilifeform: i dare say that expecting a vaguely linuxlike ~build environment~ is not unreasonable

asciilifeform: but 'runs for everybody on every kind of dead animal in a box' is a dead end goal

asciilifeform: understand, if someone ~wants~ to maintain a nintendo port, let'em

asciilifeform: build the linux variant ?

asciilifeform: vms?

asciilifeform: what, i also do a winblows toolchain now ?

asciilifeform: to which i say that it is braindamaged to expect the thing to build on arbitrary crud os

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: or hm, looks like userland caltrops prevent even v from running there

asciilifeform: iirc nobody succeeded in building ~for~ it ?

asciilifeform: building ~for~

asciilifeform: rotor will build on nintendo.

asciilifeform: software-on.

asciilifeform: rotor does this already

asciilifeform: builds ~on~ whatever the fuck you like

asciilifeform: sort of what folks do with routers and factory robots today

asciilifeform: which can be attached to whatever you like, e.g., a unix box running sshd

asciilifeform: the bare metal variant will expose shiva shell through one of the serial ports

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is elementarily not so

asciilifeform: only switched on, with command line flag, if you are really ready to meet allah;

asciilifeform: in trb.

asciilifeform: it will be a ~shell~

asciilifeform: draft name on my disk was.. shiva

asciilifeform: tinyscheme welded onto trb ☟︎

asciilifeform: dusted off draft of something i had a while back, because mircea_popescu mentioned it and proclaimed that it isn't wholly retarded

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am actually dealing with precisely this as we speak

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, they are entirely different processes with just enough superficially in common to lead n00bz to conceptual perdition

asciilifeform: just like the nintendo port.

asciilifeform: (~different~ braindamage than in linux, and this is appealing to some people)

asciilifeform: pretty much every single 'openbsdism' i've so far run into screams braindamage

asciilifeform: perhaps it was once a thing, i cannot say

asciilifeform: and that it is only quasi-works for a few very specific use cases