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kanzure: the difference between a monkey and a human is interesting.
the difference between human and human, as measured by iq, is
totally irrelevant
to me. humans are idiots if you compare
them only
to each other.
kanzure: i actually am not interested in intelligence genetics. i am more interested in
things like working memory, memory capacity, etc.
mircea_popescu: or am i expected
to
think "designer" isn't
to be interpreted
to mean i can want a smart baby ? after all i can buy designer bags, of whichever kind,
the only bags i can't buy being bags
that ARE ANY GOOD. something like
that ?
kanzure: "or at least, I
think discipline is more correlated
than effort. You can work _very_ hard at something and make no progress because your efforts are not directed."
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:20 kanzure: well in many cases
the mutations listed on
that page have not been documented (on
that page) as impacting positively or negatively. so
the document should not be considered a definitive lookup
table.
mircea_popescu: the look on
the 2nd one, you know,
total precious cat "fuck,
they're doing
the people magic bullshit again"
mircea_popescu: i am not
trying
to effectuate any outcomes whatsoever.
kanzure: what outcomes are you
trying
to effectuate precisely
kanzure: isn't
that sort of limited
mircea_popescu: but
the effort is in
the sense of cleanning, not in
the sense of pushing.
mircea_popescu: kanzure no. i keep slavegirls, whom i produce out of free ranged girls
through beatings and generally speaking
torture.
mircea_popescu: you know, dude was a better napoleon in
the sense
the
term's usually used. he certainly didn'\t fucking forget about a whole army corps etc.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: surely you don't follow
the kurzweil philosophy of "sit around and wait for people
to be productive on
their own"?
mircea_popescu: damn. am i
the only khalid al-walid fan out
there ? is
this possible ?
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "for every million clay pots you get another one of
the 17 symmetries".
the right guys need
twenty pots
to find all of
them.
the polynesians or
the africans will NEVER find
them like
they never found fucking madagascar.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
the other good illustration re effort/discipline for our needs here is of course
the observation re possible symmetries, and how
the subhuman cultures never actually discovered all of
them. why noit ?
they had decorative arts
too, effort went in...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
thanks for
the link, it was in
there happily.
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of kanzure from -1
to 1 << rezident
mircea_popescu: kanzure say !!up
to deedbot in private
then !!v
to verify
the string it gives you
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 16:53 mircea_popescu: recall
the "where are
the rembrandts
then" argument ?
the us fails
to produce a philosopher worth
the mention every other decade ; athens managed
that much on 1/1000th
the population.
mircea_popescu: you recall, "where's
the south african rembrandts, same size as flanders"
kanzure: did you not
take my illiteracy seriously
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i would say my approach has been focused
towards disciplined centralized
technology roadmapping and planning. and
then personally financing some of
the projects. although it
turns out
that stuff is expensive and stupid.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you also read
the famous piece with
the "Where's
the rembrandts" i
take it ?
BingoBoingo: kanzure: And what does maaku do again, recognize
the identifier, but not anything identifiable
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, with
the independent girlfriends and
the ai
thing ? and
the something basilisk mega-pantsuit ?
kanzure: he's basically
the gmaxwell of fearmongering about x-risk/ai
kanzure: BingoBoingo: yes
the fanfic guy
mircea_popescu: o ? is
this
the guy who brave brave brave sir robert put out a fanfic challenge,
then
trilema blew a hole in his head and he "never heard of it" a la buffett ?
mircea_popescu: discipline is a narrower set
than effort, you understand. it seems "hard" ie efortful, especially for
the noob. but it is not
that hard once you internalize it.
the effort-seeker howevere ends up mired in your sort of activity, "what's
the most mentally painful activity,
that'll be REALLY putting in some effort".
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> unless you're fucking eliezer yudzilla <<
The fanfic guy?
mircea_popescu: mno. my model is
that people who are disciplined enough
to behave rigurously will discover
things at
the rate at which
this happens.
kanzure: so your model is disciplined folks haphazardly dwaddling along playing around with stupid
technologies until
they do something
that
turns out
to be disciplined?
mircea_popescu: and yes
there's some relation between discipline as a societal construct, and politics. but
this is complicated and poorly understood.
mircea_popescu: it changes with intellectual ~discipline~.
thisis not
the same
thing as effort.
kanzure: i agree
that should or shouldn't doesn't factor into it, but rate does change with intellectual effort
mircea_popescu: kanzure my survey of
the online world mostly happens in
the sense intel prepares summaries which i sometimes read, but generally looking for a laugh.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
there's no dislike here. just
the factual matter.
kanzure: ((but since you knew bitcoin people i
thought you would know, but w/e, it doesn't matter.))
mircea_popescu: (i have a very deep dislike for modern derps putting
their name on
things,
though.)
kanzure: i don't
think he's written about it
mircea_popescu: science, research,
technology are not political outputs.
they are political inputs.
mircea_popescu: kanzure
the idea is
that
there's entirely no relation between shoulding and
tech building. whether it should or shouldn't, it'll go at
the same rate.
kanzure: i would argue
there is a knowledge component.
mircea_popescu: the "We did it reddit" dork got pounded saturday, did you watch
the fight ?
kanzure: i agree
that
the
technology is missing. it should be built.
mircea_popescu: in other words : you don't have
the
technology
to even dare hope you may create one monster per million
tries. what designer babies ?
mircea_popescu: the
thing where getting a "designer baby" be 99.9999% identical
to an actual baby makes it less
tolerable
than a 99% or 80% similar result ; and not a little less
tolerable, EXTREMELY intolerable.
kanzure: yea.
the
thing where people care what looks real.
kanzure: many would consider
the illiteracy
to be
the primary problem
kanzure: i have no idea how
to speak with you
mircea_popescu: it's plants which have been selected for
the only hopefully-economically-useful
trait available. which is already a very distant push.
kanzure: yes i am aware of mutagenesis and selection
techniques
mircea_popescu: so effort was instead moved
to plants, which are
three degrees of magnitude simpler.
there,
the approach works, you blast a square mile worth of soy with random nonsense and
then select
the few plants still standing. which is how
the whole "glycosate-resistent" craze started : it's not DESIGNER plants.
kanzure: yes
there are many
tools
that are necessary
to make progress, such as order-of-magnitude cheaper dna assembly and synthesis
technologies.
mircea_popescu: so, originally genetic experiments were carried out on mammals, hence dolly
the cloned sheep. it rapidly became obvious
that
the only available
tech ("throw shit at wall, maybe something sticks") is a
terrible fit for
the complexity of mammals, and
there's absolutely no hope of obtaining iondustrially usable results
this generation
there.
kanzure: it's sort of weird. i asked and
their answer was "he's angry". i am pretty sure
they are idiots.
mircea_popescu: sigh. alright, here, let me give you a primer on genetics as a
tehcnological consideration, so you can impress
the "what happened
to mp" ass-up-buttholes with your
transcendental scholarship.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Never had
the cabbage juice.
Twas a big fan of curing hangovers with moar booze
kanzure: it's done
to many mammals i'm not sure about sheep specifically. why would sheep matter?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo
the way you make
this is
that in a dry and cold cellar you emplace a
tun, 100 liters say.
then fill it with whole cabbages.
then add brine and some spices.
then let it sit a few months.
mircea_popescu: kanzure do you understand how current "genetic engineering" works ? specifically why it's done
to corn not sheep ?
kanzure: i haven't internalized your post completely so i'm not sure what you are expecting me
to extract from it.
kanzure: and
the controversy stuff is a
tacky add-on, i'll admit.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i disagree with your evaluation of whether it's a waste of
time, or
that it is fashionable in
the least. i simply recognize
the value of controversy.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> don't be ridiculous, it's cocktail flu. <<
The doctor prescribes Bloody Mary x2
kanzure: what if i claim
that i'm illiterate
mircea_popescu: kanzure
the model whereby you "attract funding" for "your idea" is fundamentally broken. i don't mean a little broken, i mean fundamentally broken -- it makes it impossible
to actually have an idea, which is why your "attempt
to find
the most controversial conceivable notion" ended up with "what bit of fashionable nonsense could i waste my life with in
the optimisitc but ultimately baseless hope it'll be worthy my or anyone's
kanzure: mircea_popescu: correct. i've looked at it just now but i don't see how it changes anything. shouldn't you prefer people
to be hard workers, even if
they can't own property?
kanzure: mircea_popescu: well actually
the origin of
the idea is
that i am interested in genome engineering and human enhancement
technology. but i also recognize
that controversy is necessary
to bring attention and funding.
kanzure: one of
the genetic changes i have proposed is something
that seems
to cause 4-5 hours/night
to be sufficient rest