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a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 19:53 mircea_popescu: i use it to torture girls.

mircea_popescu: on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894536 boxes i have frozen gtk 2 ; it then permits firefox up to i don't recall, FORTY-something ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i hesitate to point to anyffin as 'yes, browser', atm.

asciilifeform: ftr i won't use any other wm on x, basta.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894579 << i had a half-baked effort to read & genesis 'ratpoison' -- but currently nfi if anyone aside from asciilifeform uses or even wants to use it. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i see today a light log day also...

trinque: ah I got beat

mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: where the fuck is it god damned it, dood proved succintly he well understands the permission model sanity required by the whole stack and the idiotic breakage later morons introduced and now i can't fucking find it.

mircea_popescu: i recall, puzzle thingee.

mircea_popescu: it would be, which is why i'm tryna volunteer this guy. hey phf you about ?

asciilifeform: i dun recall whether trinque mentioned an x test tho.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun keep x on racked boxen, and dunno why anybody would, aside from truly exotic case

mircea_popescu: trinque i didn't suspect cuntoo was necessarily at fault there, no.

trinque: btw this means that e.g. what mod6 is experiencing are more likely to be "I need to go understand kernels and lilo better" than "cuntoo is broken" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i use it to torture girls. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i've never used shituntu for anyffin aside from 'rescue disk' 1ce, and even in ~that~ job it fails utterly

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was making a 2014 point, see. that portion of it meanwhile obsolete.

trinque: (if I did not do the gruntwork of identifiying and extracting only the needed ebuilds, genesis would've been nearly 1gb instead of ~4mb)

asciilifeform: ( trinque plox to correct if i'm mistaken )

mircea_popescu: i guess so. though, as you well pointed out, "gentoo" doesn't mean anything, and adding "vintage" or "traditional" dun fix this.

asciilifeform: i'ma prepare a pilot box on desk for cuntooism and reproduction of pg etc

mircea_popescu: now THAT is "i run all day", literally, multiply numbers at processor speed 24/7

mircea_popescu: seems like the "i run it all day" glove could benefit from the sort of heavy duty brush phuctor can provide.

mircea_popescu: yes but neveremind the generalities. specifically phuctor, it's from what i understand just python ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to move ~all~ of asciilifeform-tended irons to cuntoo eventually.

trinque: reading the logs since I departed, seems like it'd be helpful to do another post (after a bunch of sig verifications) where I do a literate version of the script ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i mean in the sense of "well, buncha people checked sigs, signed themselves, are running it all day"

trinque: it's ready; I run it all day.

mircea_popescu: i don't even agree, fwiw. i'm not about to saddle you with a "now you gotta maintain magic gentoo" task.

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894395 << the aim is to have people understand what I built and packaged up before cutting such an ISO ☝︎

shinohai: Well I often find myself using box with no X server, is there a way to say make curl request or something that would paste into web box?

mircea_popescu: though honestly, if i wanted to vim-face mp-wp, i'd put a vimterface on ~mysql~ directly, rather than the wp wrapper.

mircea_popescu: do you specifically want hooks and all that ? what am i missing here, you can just write your article in vim and either email it to the blog's pop3 acct or else paste it in the web box i guess.

shinohai: I dunno if in logs, but I tried this with mp-wp couple years back and didn't get it working properly. https://github.com/dsawardekar/wordpress.vim

mircea_popescu: i mean... you can compose it in emacs and email it to the blog even

shinohai: Blog is just an awk script that generates pages since I like composing from vim. (If wp had this feature would gladly use)

shinohai: I love lampooning, it's the point of whole blog!

shinohai: I wish ... would like to have a barn full of the AMD boards, not the most powerful in the world but run really great, even with own gentoo recipe.

shinohai: Yeah, I haven't a rk yet to try, that may come in few weeks

hanbot: well my failed attempt isn't known to have anything to do with cuntoo, as i didn't touch it yet.

mircea_popescu: for that lappy i mean

mod6: like i said, i'll stfu, and write up a post, will include my kernconf.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:19 trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state?

shinohai: mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/cuntoo-a-linux-that-sucks-less.html <<< I will mention that the USB version won't boot yet, only useful as chroot device.

mircea_popescu: i'm looking at this with an eye to eulora client also and so fucking following.

mod6: anyway, I apologize for not reporting sooner, just thought that I could emerge victorious one of these attempts. I'll stfu and go to work on a blog with more deets.

mod6: i should also mention that shinohai's working cuntoo is a APU box - not intel.

mod6: on the bright side, i thought that my inital new SSD i ordered for cuntoo was just bad in some way, so i went and bought another. so now i have a spare :]

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's not my fossil gentoo outside of the sense I plucked it out of the wild for a lack of anything else

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno about you, but i am fucking suspicious as all hell of all these "here's our matrix dot printer, to use it here's the matrix dot printer program".

mod6: i've actually been lucky enough to have shinohai's ear this whole time too, who actually has a working cuntoo.

asciilifeform: what i thought hanbot was going to do, is to attempt trinque's recipe using BingoBoingo's beachhead stick . then BingoBoingo's fossil gentoo can be pressed into service as standard beachhead, while such thing still needed.

mod6: i'll go to work on a blog post, this weekend. will try to capture all the details.

mod6: just because I can't even get it to boot, so just left that aside for the time being.

mod6: i should add, that my output genesis has never verified with his original sig, i admit to not even trying his new sig posted in his comment section.

mircea_popescu: or at any rate, i'd be were i him.

asciilifeform: i gotta agree with mircea_popescu tho, the current recipe is very muchly 'wanna light a fire? take a stick, and yer old fire..'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't specifically know, but what she says is not without merit, "what's somebody other than me supposed to do???"

mircea_popescu: i'm guessing what we actually want here is to get cuntoo ready already and then just skip this step altogether ; meanwhile sit unprotected

mircea_popescu: "transition phase", whatever, but the point remains that if we're going to actually take the a) view then something very much like what she's looking for ("i took what looked like the tmsr official gentoo off the foundation site") should also exist.

mod6: after lastnights mis-adventure; i'm out of ideas, so I'll stop banging on it and make a post.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 18:24 hanbot: asciilifeform, trinque, BingoBoingo no, i'm aware. nevertheless, wanted to try getting a gentoo on first, seeing how it's in fact needed, and perhaps the general case of someone who isn't this good friends with this many experts is to be explored.

asciilifeform: mod6: i assume you fed trinque's script your kernel config ?

mod6: right, i agree, so i don't think it's ~cuntoo~ per se... but imagine this. I've had gentoo running on that hardware for nearly a year since i bought it.

mod6: well, I didn't want to send people down rabbit holes, but now im at the point where I think I can't get any further with out more help.

mod6: Anyway, I think it maybe just hates my iron for some unknown reason. Obviously, I leaving out a lot of details here, but i've tried everything, different boot loaders, minor adjustments to fstab, a working kernel, map and initrd from the working gentoo (ON THE SAME BOX)... a hand built initrd.

mod6: not 10 full days, but certainly 10 days of approx. 2 hour sessions each day. i've been hooking up null modem cables to capture kernel panics... i've taken to hacking trinque's scripts, just about everything to try to conquer this type of error:

mod6: fwiw, I've been working on trying to get cuntoo working for 10 days.

BingoBoingo: hanbot: I still have the image I wrote and other sticks up to 16GB locally sourced without Uruguay pricing hitting too hard

hanbot: doesn't seem too rosy, either. (i just hope i didn't hose your install usb in the process somewhere.)

hanbot: asciilifeform, trinque, BingoBoingo no, i'm aware. nevertheless, wanted to try getting a gentoo on first, seeing how it's in fact needed, and perhaps the general case of someone who isn't this good friends with this many experts is to be explored. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i defungated this bread crust many times, but there aint so much bread remaining in it.

asciilifeform: i'd prefer to get the rk plant onto a working cuntoo as soon as it becomes practical.

asciilifeform: rk-gentoo still pulls from heathen mirrors if you 'emerge ...' , i dun expect this will work 4evah

asciilifeform: ( cuntoo was not available when i baked rk , and it was necessary to work around the sad state of the upstream mirrors, hence why bottled it )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is of course the bottled gentoo i baked for rk; but it is also arguably a technological dead-end, and eventually oughta be replaced with arm cuntoo

asciilifeform: i'm not even certain that it's ~possible~ today to glue together a complete classical gentoo ( and if possible today -- may not be tomorrow )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, then would need a ~third~ disk for cuntoo.

BingoBoingo: Indeed. Yet I suspect doing a heathen gentoo on the spinning disk will provide a valuable point of contrast Cuntoo. There's 2 kinds of steps you can insert into a process beyond the minimum. Educative ones where you explore the space gathering experience which may be useful later. The other kind are pure friction a la SOPS.

asciilifeform: seems to me from the article that hanbot went to setup up a ~traditional~ gentoo 1st, which as i understand isn't actually needed ( machine already booted into 1 )

asciilifeform: the provided box is already running a trad gentoo; theoretically should suffice for bringing up cuntoo, as i understand

asciilifeform: hanbot: i thought you were gonna revv up a cuntoo ? article seems to concern a classical gentoo install ?

asciilifeform: currently i've nfi out of what one'd even begin to make it, tho

asciilifeform: grr i gotta stiffen the spring tension on that 'return' pedal.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 07:54 feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part I

mircea_popescu: conceivably some context leakage by browser, i wouldn't fucking bother until we actually have a browser that works.

asciilifeform: i gotta saw that thing open again when i get free hand

mircea_popescu: i see it.

asciilifeform: apparently not, and i dunneven know why just yet

mircea_popescu: i had "That the probably only _truly_ random element in anyone’s life is the order in which they experience things" selected.

mircea_popescu: "I, when feeling like whistling, whistle", and not the atrocious barbarism it's marketed as.

Mocky: i'm assuming "Eu cind vreau sa fluier, fluier" == "Eu cand vreau sa fluier, fluier". The former named in http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/ the latter available for download

mircea_popescu: i had nfi "greater boston area" had a team, when the fuck did this happen.

Mocky: Pretty likely I haven't encountered the like, I'll watch

mircea_popescu: (i mean in the sense that by the time one's seen everything, the order starts mattering so much. in fact the order's mostly important before completion, in that it holds predictive value. which is to say that if i can cut the space of existence into the set of "he has probably seen" and "he has probably not seen" i have a significant strategic advantage over the he.)

mircea_popescu: btw, totally worth seeing the films referenced, half dozen or so they may be, in the sense that i don't expect there's any chance of your having encountered them or anything like them on your own.

Mocky: i will answer