asciilifeform: http://adamsblog.aperturelabs.com/2013/01/fun-with-masked-roms.html << related.

asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.com/en/read/1645RT2U-milandr-radhard-antifuse-rom << die shot.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://milandr.ru << can source any of this? or vapour, like elbrus ?

asciilifeform: (the baltics were even more prolific champs)

asciilifeform: the folks who burned all the jews they could long before germany so much as asked

asciilifeform: ahahaha the poles

asciilifeform: really not so long for this world.

asciilifeform: one of the reasons i wrote 'g' (which remains unreleasable, ty mircea_popescu for the block cipher lulz, aha) is that the public node is not a sustainable thing.

asciilifeform: whereas today all vermin own teleporters and will appear directly at your front door, if you feed one.

asciilifeform: as for travellers, when the known world was a cold and empty place, and wolves outnumbered wanderers 9000 to 1, etc. - it was a different thing.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but not female rats.

asciilifeform: whether in application to servers, or hordes of migrants, or wherever else.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one way or another, folks will learn to respect the 'give nothing to stranger for showing up' theorem.

asciilifeform suspected!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how was the caek ?

asciilifeform: l0l, hearn's magnum opus

asciilifeform: and the heathens who never heard of malleus can talk to them to their heart's delight.

asciilifeform: let ten thousand sybils bloom.

asciilifeform: i'ma off to drink motor oil coffee, eat shit, and crank out useless crud for money

asciilifeform: enjoy mircea_popescu !

asciilifeform: hence why i always said to mircea_popescu, 'webdev is insignificant worm and webdevers are not programmers'

asciilifeform: (car occupies far more than the size of the parking spot)

asciilifeform: ^ the notion is well-known to city architects, as the concept of car space

asciilifeform: this is a hilarious reversal of the old classic thread between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu re: 'programming == webdev'

asciilifeform: nor wants to.

asciilifeform: because he doesn't own a computer.

asciilifeform: but yes, to perelman ~all of computing~ is 'tiny'

asciilifeform: i realized that i actually have nfi what mircea_popescu's size metric is here

asciilifeform had no idea engl. pediwik existed for this

asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_is_My_Motherland << oblig

asciilifeform: (to them!)

asciilifeform: whole world.

asciilifeform: for the folks inside - it is very large indeed.

asciilifeform: in the same sense as north kr is small.

asciilifeform: and multi-MB. etc

asciilifeform: now orc monkeys are not the sharpest tools in the shed, true - have you ~seen~ a trojan of recent vintage? 19/20 are in vb

asciilifeform: there is actual monetization there.

asciilifeform: well, i can identify who gives a fuck re: pwning crapple users - 1,000,001 orc carder monkeys, for instance

asciilifeform: not precisely. re: qntra, i specifically think that the 'they don't exist, don't look there, nothing to see' field generator is operating so well, that they no longer see any need to draw attention with ddos.

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: will have to find out, what. when i can be arsed.

asciilifeform: perhaps something changed substantially in recent history.

asciilifeform: i admit that my crappleology is a few yrs out of date.

asciilifeform: and then any jailbreak aficionado who has the misfortune to powercycle his box, is fucked

asciilifeform: when they leak out, are typically patched in a few days

asciilifeform: just that the 0days are few and carefully hoarded by aficionados.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact that jailbreaking is a thing reveals that apple has not 'done it'

asciilifeform: rather than any civilized concept of security

asciilifeform: understand, this is largely a testament to the sheer nintendoism of the os

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not publicly.

asciilifeform: or shows a trojanatronic 'gmail' login screen and waits for idiot to enter pw. etc

asciilifeform: for instance, one can write a proggy that tracks your location and uploads.

asciilifeform: very loose notion of 'malware'

asciilifeform: malicious app can only try to trick the user into revealing secret. it cannot, e.g., access the file system (you are not permitted fopen() ... )

asciilifeform: not one. ever. (nsa aside)

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: and yes, this is achieved at the cost of apps not having any access to the file system, etc.

asciilifeform: and believe or not, folks ~like~ the censorship. in the sense that there are no public infectors, in the usual sense, for crapple ipnohe.

asciilifeform: and os.

asciilifeform: 'app store'

asciilifeform: the market value, such as it is, is 100% from the software.

asciilifeform: using crapple's would be masochism, plain and simple

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point was that if you wanted to make own touchatronic os, it would be considerably cheaper to use a handset from another vendor.

asciilifeform: much less touchatron.

asciilifeform: the 'open sores' world wasn't even able to cough up a mouse gui that didn't trigger anaphylactic shock in half the users

asciilifeform: on touch screen ? who wants to write the gui ? mircea_popescu ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu understands that nobody buys the motherfucking phone for the hardware, right ?

asciilifeform: i run openbsd ?

asciilifeform: say i replace apple's cpu with samsung's hypothetical pin-compatible one. now what ?

asciilifeform: am i mistaken re: what the discussion even was ?

asciilifeform: by running one of the heavily obfuscated auto-jailbreakatrons.

asciilifeform: thing is, you ~can~ break it, this is done by 1,000,001 folks.

asciilifeform: and do what, exactly ?

asciilifeform: where there

asciilifeform: everything else is custom at least in the metallization layer sense

asciilifeform: but the only 'normal chip' in there is the nand. and possibly the gyro.

asciilifeform: but when whole thing becomes 1 asic - no need for bga.

asciilifeform: aha, only done because economics-of-scale, as in, samsung sells not only to crapple

asciilifeform: (you can get ~most~ ic in die-only package)

asciilifeform: and the chips - be purchased die-only

asciilifeform: i expect that at some point it will be fused with the lcd glass

asciilifeform: now it is this matchbox thing

asciilifeform: the mainboard used to actually occupy the footprint of the phone

asciilifeform: it ~is~ a consideration, in each new release they merge a few of the ic into one.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they quit making carrier-specific version, so yes, it has ~every~ modem.

asciilifeform: surely you knew this.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'newton' has been dead and buried since the re-enthronement of steve jobs

asciilifeform: these are precious and hoarded.

asciilifeform: to 'jailbreak', you normally have to discover one of the handful of bugs planted for usg use.

asciilifeform: also starting with, iirc, ipnohe 5, the cpu is custom crapple asic (licensed arm) and has the various 'seek00rity' crud in mask rom.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: uneconomic to actually do anything at all with these.

asciilifeform: i.e. not removable without ir oven and not remountable without xray.

asciilifeform: also note that they are all bga

asciilifeform: the teardown www has chip ids, links.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: (there is also a nand flash on there, some power supply crud, and the baseband)

asciilifeform: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/F5NPpFSfDkF5NfPW.huge << the fat one

asciilifeform: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6+Teardown/29213 << or this

asciilifeform: you will find a SINGLE ic, and a good chunk of the crapolade is in mask rom.