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kanzure: do you have a specific problem with megalomania? or am i going
to get a zen butt statement about balance in reply..
☟︎ kanzure: have i claimed
that i am going
to move
the earth? what?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 15:24 mircea_popescu: and if experience with
the empire of "i just want
to" lazy idiots is any guide,
they're DEFINITELY not going
to "get in
trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing
their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!"
kanzure: is
three degrees enough for
that
ben_vulpes: and hey, a mere
three degree increase could kill enough folks
to bring
the population back
to a reasonable level.
kanzure: wouldn't roasting
to death interfere with your no-suck computer goals
kanzure: asciilifeform: regarding your preference for warmer climates, is
there a limit?
kanzure: no
that doesn't work so well; private space ventures would
then also be world government instruments.
ben_vulpes: lol changing orbit parameters;
this is a classic
kanzure: ben_vulpes: well, low-cost non-shading approaches might be <$1B but i have given
those less
thought. you can deploy nukes for less
than $1B (like
to change orbit parameters) but
that also causes other problems
that would be viewed as more extreme
than climate change.
kanzure: trinque: i
think our disagreement is regarding
the level of readiness or detail of a model. your requirement is one for models
that are much more mature. i
think it would be better if you insist on as much upfront in
the future... i'll
try
to keep
that in mind.
☟︎ trinque: if you can't communicate a specific model, why are you
talking, other
than
to cast your upvote for whatever futurememe gives you a semi?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:25 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B
to fix climate change is
too cheap and nobody is going
to believe you"
kanzure: also: around
these parts, is it sacrilege
to speak about
technologies
that aren't at
the far end of nasa's readiness scale?
that might explain a lot.
☟︎ kanzure: isn't it a little early for me
to mae such a specific proposal..?
kanzure: why do i need
to make a hard statement about a star shade deployment plan?
trinque: you people are so awash with marketing bastards out
there you speak it natively.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 18:28 kanzure:
the sun shade does not necessarily need
to be used between
the sun and earth.
there are many potential uses for sunshades, some
that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily.
kanzure: so, for example,
there seems
to be an assumption
that a star shade would *have*
to shade asciilifeform. why?
trinque: and I've dealt with enough valleytards
to be familiar with
the crabwalk you do in arguments.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 17:28 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B
to fix climate change is
too cheap and nobody is going
to believe you"
kanzure: i haven't absorbed
the implication of logged channels?
trinque: channel's logged bub, and you still haven't absorbed
the implications of
that.
kanzure: so why would deploying a star shade and
testing it-- perhaps not even on
the earth-- preclude understanding what you're doing?
kanzure: i've lost
the flow of
this conversation.
trinque: "there's no
time
to understand what we're doing; lives are at stake!"
kanzure: if you consider my existence
to be overly
taxing
to you, perhaps you should drop dead
☟︎ kanzure: ("is it going
to shade you?")
kanzure: what part of "why are you going
to be shaded?" did you forget
to reply
to
kanzure: if we're going
to
talk about cowardly conversation
tactics how about "omg you're going
to nuke us because you're planning
to deploy a sun shade"
kanzure: why would you bring
the poor into
this
ben_vulpes: more of
the classic progressive "we'll fix
the world for
the poor brown people, because
they can't want it for
themselves"
kanzure: eh, i
think it would be
tested before using it re: climate change.
☟︎ trinque: cowardly conversation
tactic.
trinque: it was brought up in
the context of "climate change". don't slime sideways now.
kanzure: the sun shade does not necessarily need
to be used between
the sun and earth.
there are many potential uses for sunshades, some
that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily.
☟︎ trinque: humans fail at making predictions on far less complex systems
than "lol
teh whole sun/earth interaction".
kanzure: almost everything can be weaponized.
that's not a good argument.
kanzure: ah good
thing everyone is omniscient... what?
kanzure: what is
the specific complaint about a star shade other
than narcissism?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: running joke is
that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all
the damn
trouble
ben_vulpes: in other unsustainability news, ben_vulpes has another mouth
to feed on
the way
trinque: asciilifeform: sure
that
too
trinque: if
that old cunt knows exactly how much money
to print "to grow
the economy" why wouldn't some other old cunt know exactly how much solar shield
to build
trinque: and
they fuckinglovescience enough
to know all
the knobs and diddle.
trinque: actually believe
the earth is here "for
them" as
the motherstate of course is.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 19:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:
the death of
the 'fat consumer' system is not optional, it's an exponential/runaway growth hallucinatory nonsense.
the lizard deindustrialization program is in re
the ~controlled demolition~ of same.
ben_vulpes: "how about stop confusing ought for is in your
tiny little head?"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: moreover, as if cleaner diesel's going
to do anything about
the haze in cn, etc etc.
ben_vulpes: also
the ahistoricity of "omfg stop burning
things, slow
the warming". dog,
the damage was done when
the first nuggets of coal came out and went up.
ben_vulpes: also gimme a break,
the root cause here is
the chain reaction of burning all of
the stored hydrocarbons, and it ain't going
to stop until all of
the fuel is gone.
trinque been saying
this
to
the "UNPRECEDENTED FLOODING" derps every chance he gets.
ben_vulpes: as if
the blip of geological
time sapiens observed is representative, and not a
transient of a
transient
trinque: worst people ever
to walk
the earth,
their own suicidality showing in every word.
ben_vulpes: hubris of ameliorating "global warming" is pretty cute, right up
there with
terraforming mars.
trinque: kanzure: fucking hell, a star shade.
the narcissism out of folks like you will flow over any wall but extinction, wont it.
☟︎ kanzure: it's on ye olde
todo list and your request will be answered in
the order in which it was received
kanzure: i am down with nuclear ablation
too