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mircea_popescu: if there isn't,
a well. you're lucky enough to have come in early.
mircea_popescu: if there's still
a germany in 30 years, it may see how itshould behave and copy us, yes.
justJanne: If you want, you can try it as
a state.
mircea_popescu: might as well have the same argument about believing in christ and move to 1555 to be
a nun.
mircea_popescu: "ima call anyone that doesn't promote socialism
a dictator and then say that not being socialist makes dictators"
trinque: the fuck whatsapp is
a government now
williamdunne: I have to convince people to make some clicks, not hard if freenode implements
a tax
williamdunne: Comparing freenode to government is
a little ridiculous, don't you think?
mircea_popescu: you come up with
a deal, if i agree you get away with it.
justJanne:
A danish private company just builds
a tunnel to Germany right now.
mircea_popescu: but you were extolling the virtues of not paying for their work
a moment ago.
mircea_popescu: either come up with
a contract and stick to it, or go home.
mircea_popescu: justJanne that there is an apparent need for new laws already invalidates the entire proposition of having
a state in the first place.
justJanne: The winner of the box fight gets to make
a paw.
justJanne: And more democratic, cause the government won't risk ignoring the 7% people who voted liberals, nor the 7% who voted communist, as if they'd ignore them, those parties would just start
a fight in Parliament.
williamdunne: justJanne: We can choose between Cameron or Labour, at least Cameron doesn't want to remove our main advantage.. being
a tax haven
mircea_popescu: there is NEVER going to be
a way for the bs taxation of socialists to be enforced. ever.
williamdunne: Currently if you set up
a financial company in the EU, the standard procedure is London
mircea_popescu: only matters because it's
a relative tax heaven from the patently insane french (and german) communists.
williamdunne: "Returning to Edinburgh, the Company of Scotland for Trading to Africa raised £400,000 sterling in
a few weeks (equivalent to roughly £46 million today),[b] with investments from every level of society, and totaling about
a fifth of the wealth of Scotland.[7][8] It was, for Scotland,
a massive amount of capital.[9]"
mircea_popescu: why do you think the empire's been going to shit for
a century ?
williamdunne: If I want to start
a business in the UK, I can pretty easily sell my product wherever the fuck I want. Banks are willing to work with me, that will be fine. If I was from random-istan not so much
mircea_popescu: obviously, if you refuse to trade with putin, this puts "putin as seen through our trade with him" at
a disadvantage.
williamdunne: Sure, but I don't think it's
a very controversial idea that various rules such as the AML set put entire regions of people at
a disadvantage
mircea_popescu: but yes, the set of rules that control the game are different for hookers and bluffers. for hookers, the rules that control are "
A > K > Q" etc.
williamdunne: In this case its more like the bluffer having to play with
a different set of superiority rules
mircea_popescu: now, if one's afore-decided they will be bluffing,
a) they won't make very good poker players and b) any hand they get can "put them at
a disadvantage".
mircea_popescu: mkay. so take poker.
a very simple description of poker is that you can either play hooker or bluffer. to play hooker you need card superiority, and try to trick your opponent into paying.
williamdunne: Don't think we all should be equal in fairyland but creating additional barriers is about the equivalent of kicking
a man while he is down
mircea_popescu: but anyway, to round off the "social marketplace" thing : if one is to reclassify slave labour as "voluntaryism", which is undoubtedly erroneous but nevertheless coherent with the presupositions proposed, then sure, i am
a champion of "the northern model"
williamdunne: Sure, but they put someone without money at
a disadvantage
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I largely agree, Africa doesn't have much going for it but I do think it stands
a chance of doing
a helluva lot better without various EU/US laws.
mircea_popescu: justJanne don't die over b-
a hon. it's eternal, will be here when you're 69, too.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne "murder". in the immortal words of butch, "if he were
a better boxer he'd still be alive"
mircea_popescu: justJanne are you kidding ? switzerland is exploiting
a resource
mircea_popescu: sure, if you get
a shitton of oil when oil's valuable / fish when fish is valuable etc, the "nordic model" is
a great way to share it.
justJanne: Germany can only have
a positive state household by exploiting southern Europe.
mircea_popescu: well, you need
a system that works without assumptions.
BingoBoingo: justJanne: Seeing as the library profession here requires
a graduate degree it wouldn't be sustainable here.
justJanne: BingoBoingo: then you'd have
a hard time here, 90% of all librarians are volunteers.
davout: BingoBoingo: don't you get to steal
a TP roll
a day already?
williamdunne: Interesting, didn't realise ampersand was
a gribble thing
BingoBoingo: <justJanne> davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too? << I am
a librarian. Volunteering without compensation is
a violation of my professional ethics.
gribble: Error: "what" is not
a valid command.
davout: justJanne: just because you don't see what folks get out of
a deal doesn't mean they're not getting anything
mircea_popescu: trinque you think it's
a gender issue ? i dun think she's old enough yet.
mircea_popescu: lots of pedos volunteer to be teachers. is scarcely
a proof your system works.
trinque: justJanne: you cannot begin to imagine the bore of
a planned out life for
a male... good fucking god
williamdunne: On
a similar note, I considered dunne.so and thug.so as alternative to thethug.life
justJanne: Because I still don't believe it is
a good idea.
mircea_popescu: you've done what
a hacker news reader would do, reading the usg piece instead of my piece and imagining "oh i read about crypto"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes also must give people rope to hang with, it's
a tandem process. << maybe next cycle i can refrain
justJanne: And it made me even more convinced it is
a great system in theory. Not in reality.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo from what i hear
a major battle is raging in us agriculture. monsanto vs agrobiz
williamdunne: justJanne: I shared all of your opinions at first, thought MP was
a cock etc. I then had the decency to spend ~9 months reading logs and blogs before speaking
ben_vulpes tries to imagine the wealth of nagants bequeathed after
a dozen cycles
justJanne: After just
a dozen generations, your poor will rise up against you.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also must give people rope to hang with, it's
a tandem process.
justJanne: williamdunne: when you'd try to implement this system in reality, as
a social system.
justJanne: But we talked through your topic
a bunch of times.
mircea_popescu: i've known
a bunch of german sluts, i don't go around assuming you're one, right ?
justJanne: Interesting idea, unless it is implemented, within of
a dozen generations it often stops working.
justJanne: So I read and learned
a lot about it.
justJanne: Yeah,
a friend of mine was an extreme anarchist.
mircea_popescu: not merely because to prevail in arguments, but because
a mind that's organised without strong sourcing of propositions is windows in
a skullbox.
ben_vulpes: <justJanne> trinque: you guys said you wanted
a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets. << source or seriously get the fuck out
justJanne: trinque: you guys said you wanted
a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets.
justJanne: I don't know. I have no issues with you guys building
a state of anarchy,
☟︎ williamdunne: Because they enforce it on others, if they want to create
a commune go for it
williamdunne: Trinque's statements aren't my own, this isn't
a government
cazalla: justJanne, hope you get raped by
a gang of marauding muslims over there
justJanne: It's your choice to live in
a place with taxes.
assbot: Successfully added
a rating of -1 for justJanne with note: some girl with notions
ben_vulpes: this Janne babe's doing
a number on the chan, smack in the middle of the keymageddon.
justJanne: You can't pass
a law without either bribing half of them,
williamdunne: Africa might actually stand
a chance of doing something if it weren't for various restrictions placed by EU, USG and co