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mircea_popescu: i've never had coffee this good, and i lived in fucking costa rica!
mircea_popescu: i bought 2 kgs of costa rican cofee. place now smells like the end of the fucking world.
mircea_popescu: on that expertise, and more importantly on those suddenly opened eyes, more good stuff can be built.
mircea_popescu: it will also be proof that in point of fact 80% of cpu could go away.
mircea_popescu: you don't see how it's a step or how it's the right direction ?
mircea_popescu: what, finally can buy a sane cpu because bitcoin miners ?
mircea_popescu: if that were to happen because we made it happen i'd be so happy.
mircea_popescu: "everything seems ripe for the picking to the man with a good pickaxe"
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag do you see the side benefit to this happening ?
mircea_popescu: well... it is "closer to the origianl vision" at any rate.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the shifting decides that. if you make the shifting very low, mining as an activity seen today disappears altogether - the digest is much more expensive than the hashing.
mircea_popescu: PeterL nobody who wants a bitcoin-without-the-bitcoin thing would like that proposal. that's fundamentally why it's there, to readily distinguish people seeking to help from people seeking to help us hang ourselves.
mircea_popescu: or just graph the demand curve for digests in units of time delta block finds in your head and see.
mircea_popescu: PeterL there's a selection of different people there but ok.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag exactly. a very minimal sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: schmidty the idea is that you're supposed to press your own dogma so to speak.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag note that it's not my scheme not a coin nor anything. it's just a minimum bar.
mircea_popescu: "all 1 comments - sorted by: best there doesn't seem to be anything here" << lol reddit.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you've lived a sheltered lyf alfie :D
mircea_popescu: +/** Add entropy to the pool directly. Use this for seeding or on-demand entropy. */
mircea_popescu: yes usg loves to present "fixes" of this nature. the odds of them making it in are about the same as the odds of obama being smart.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ <-- afaik the only ways are 1) require coinbase receiver's signature in block header << this is rank nonsense. i'm not signing to receive bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: anyway. heaven is built atop hell also. been doing fine.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag yes but the solution is not to kill all the sheep.
mircea_popescu: why. because that's how the whole world was built. and how it works when it works.
mircea_popescu: currently the problem appears to be "it being outsourceable", but really, the problem is that only blind outsourcing can be done.
mircea_popescu: see, i suspect ascii_butugychag this is the major contradiction here. your idea of safety is to make it non-outsourceable, but i suspect it'd be both better and safer to make it FAIRLY outsourceable.
mircea_popescu: the wunderbar advantages of being explicit! others have something to talk to!
mircea_popescu: "do you know that currently, all a miner needs is to know the header of the previous block to mine" "yes"
mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down and speak explicitly ? these are the logs!
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i don't. nobody has learned anything else since 30 years ago.
mircea_popescu: adolescentine fits re "but bucket of water could cause flood and rubbing things together starts fires so i shouldn't have to sweep" notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: the observation that "you can't have any change until you clean up your room" shouldn't really be all that controversial.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag anyway, if the nice folks of whatever wish to change bitcoin more in the sense of, full block hash not headers, i wouldn't automatically reject it. i described a point which must be included, but i also said its details are open to discussion.
mircea_popescu: with an unshifted nonce, this is ~impossible, of course, you're not keeping maxint times 200kb+ entries.
mircea_popescu: punkman probably. unless you keep a table of historical chain by nonces.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's just making sure people actually have the chain. all of it.
mircea_popescu: i mean. how is this more or different of a workfunction change.
mircea_popescu: (they way this is likely going to be asic'd is by keeping rainbow tables, and just adding octets. nevertheless - this STILL requires the whole chain be preserved. even if in a diff format)
mircea_popescu: and it'll be way the fuck cheaper for them to buy it from you than for them to bake a cpu and hdd into the 80s era vlsi.
mircea_popescu: and you have a cpu and a hdd, and can just produce this information.
mircea_popescu: miners need to know that nonces x to x' are ok to mine with digest Z
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag anyway, the only thign this does is that if implemented, you could alter dulap code slightly and produce usable digest blocks for sale to pay for the node.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this adds the "need chinese foundries" to "need sk sdd" for maximal ,ulz.
mircea_popescu: because it's the easiest thing to do and they're entry level.
mircea_popescu: and ukrainian whores have a stranglehold on german streetwalking.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying russia makes all mop buckets and so they have a stranglehold.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this is a general principle that works generally.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag can you be explicit for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: punkman yes, up until people start rejecting nonstandard blocks.