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a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:41 fyr:
to
take on
the liability of "don't lose
this file or you'll get much more reputational harm
than just not registering in
the first place"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707469 << afaik
this isn't supported by either
theory or practice.
the harm is exactly same. besides, what'd
the negative harm attach
to ?
the lost identity can't confirm
the losing by definition, and a different identity can't attach anything
to
the original also by definition. so...
☝︎ mircea_popescu: what's
the loc count on
this
thing btw ? anyone has it ? submn ? supermn ?
trinque: phf: I had a recent
thread with
the beach character in which "yeah, nobody knows what gadgets are for, can probably go" and so on.
mircea_popescu: he'll end up counting colored beads in boise, idaho and wondering why jc is following anyone
to
the
toilet for
the asking.
phf: i'm not sure if mcclim can be "made better" by own hands, but i'm not interested in
the direction
the bounty
team is
taking it. i agree with ascii, but i
think it could be attempted
to reduce it
to absolute minimum of moving parts,
to establish if
the design is fundamentally limited or not.
mircea_popescu: twelve year old boy gets a bike because otherwise
the cool kids won't let him hang with
them ; and if
they do not his whole fucking life is forfeit, as a factual matter.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:40 fyr: Like I'm not saying it is ~an utterly impossible insurmountable burden~ I'm saying I don't have any
threat models for which it makes sense
mircea_popescu: (but yes,
the reason i even looked irrespective of
that being on
the
table was
the involved complexity and
the expectation you're not actually speaking from atop it)
phf: aah, now i get
the whole
thing
mircea_popescu: (if you're interested by
the literalism, "for merit" is one of
two ways in which a case can be adjudicated.
the other one is on form, such as
through lack of standing, lack of jurisdiction, etcetera.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't support it because he doesn't like
the outer case limits of
the design, esp re speed. i am not supporting it because i do not have any faith whatsoever in its financial soundness. you aren't supporting it because hm.
phf: i'm not understanding
the second half of
that sentence
mircea_popescu: anyway,
this makes 3 out of 3 not supporting
this, and amusingly enough in each case for merits.
phf: i don't
think he can even grok
the shape of
the criticism
mircea_popescu: phf basically what i
take his notion
to be re
the problem is you know, "i'll just mp it", which may seem like a workable idea until one stops
to notice
that
the original mp never actually attempted
to guess prices.
phf: i don't
think he appreciated my communication style.
jackdaniel: either way,
thanks for inviting me so I could confirm/clarifiy some assesments about me. Have a nice evening o/
jackdaniel: no, I'm not
that interested in cryptocurriencies
to
think about
them much
jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on
the channel and
tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays
☟︎ jackdaniel: sorry, I'm quite busy now. I've read
the log – yes, bounties are arbitrary, or as someone nicely put it "pulled out of ass" by me
mircea_popescu: had you $1,429,500 for bounties, would
the per-quanta payment increase ? maybe
to 11 ? 20 ? 100 ?
mircea_popescu: let's
try. so at
the moment you have $1,429 for bounties ; let's say
the average bounty pays 10 dollars per quanta of "computer work", however defined.
jackdaniel: it's hard
to read what you write. could you rephrase?
mircea_popescu: would having more money at your disposal put an inflationary pressure on bounty levels ? ie, for "same work" (admitting for a moment
there's such a
thing as work-needed scalar) more money ? conversely, encountering headwinds/making little progress over
time/decelerating would deflate bounties ?
jackdaniel: I work a bit with code. I asses how hard it will be
to fix it, how beneficial fixing it will be and how much resources we have
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel so a major item of curiosity for me is how do you calculate
the bounty values ?
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel dja know any of
the fellows ? asciilifeform ? phf ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: Afaict
the whole point of
the nickserv pgp
thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact
trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x"
jackdaniel: yay, so much fame :-) but I'm only accepting PR's after some
testing, nothing
to praise for
phf: (i kind of missed
the question, but also didn't understand it, so will clarify,
that i'm not supporting recent mcclim development, financially or otherwise)
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:14 phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on
the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile..
mircea_popescu: they don't even have
to be
total country bumpkins, even a non-yokel would really love
to live in washington!
mircea_popescu: cuz everyhone knows a girl really wants
to be just like
that dumbass "congressional aide" what was her name, mary
tired or what.
mircea_popescu: can pretty much exactly follow "civilised" inferiority complex by what
they whine re "corruption" in orcs.
mircea_popescu: im sure if ian smith's wife was hot as opposed
to one of
the anglo-dutch looking bags
they'd have said
the same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform caribbean blue is no joke btw ; retards from argentina keep whining about
their blue sky, but i just saw one
today and
there's no comparison.
mircea_popescu: fwiw
this has been open problem in it management since about 1970.
phf: i ~believe~
that bounties are pulled out of ass by
the mcclim stakeholders like beach. "this is
tricky and i want it a lot, $500!"
mircea_popescu: (there's a lot of work went into
this in eulora, i dunno if you've seen
the various pricing
threads. it's
to my eyes a very interesting problem)
mircea_popescu: ok, but
the problem of interest is how
to compute something
to end up with
the magic number 150. or a replacement.
mircea_popescu: phf and other
than "how do
they calculate
the bounties", are you supporting
this ?
phf: i don't
think he literally used
the word cunt. i've spent some years with
the irish, when i'm in moscows i start reverting (i'm not quite sure what
the connection is in my brain)
mircea_popescu: maybe he's scottish, cunt just means man in
their lowlands gaelic.
mircea_popescu: hey phf you have any idea how
they calculate
the bounties ?
phf: yeah, i don't remember
the details. i
think g_l just wanted
to be
the
top dog on
the project, and,
to quote
trinque, swing a dick
that he didn't have by running
the whole
thing in faux
tmsr way (lots of calling everyone cunt), which got him marginalized, and eventually completely sidelined
mircea_popescu: Our current financial status is $1,429 for bounties and $267 recurring monthly contributions from
the supporters (thanks!).
mircea_popescu: gl condemnation of jd was related
to ethereum not
technical dispute.
phf: asciilifeform: i very much remember many
threads
mircea_popescu: hey, at least
they saved
the village before destroying it.
mircea_popescu: "painted
the wall killed
the orchid ; unclogged
the
toilet dented
the faiance ; cooked a meal dirtied
the pots..."
phf: it's exactly
that! replaced a deflated wheel, while also putting a chair on
the roof
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you picture NOT "'d00d fixed my car, some percent, but crowbared
the windows" ? when exactly was
this
the case, i've yet
to encounter it.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 01:55 phf: "<jackdaniel> [04:47:11] keep in mind my CLIM fu is very weak
though :)" yet
the guy is collecting money for paid CLIM internals development
phf: supposed
to be an n with accent aigu, he's i
think a polak
mircea_popescu: it's so OBVIOUS, you see, and so EVIDENT, you realise,
that one needn't even use his brain for it, whenever
the choice is actually meaningful.
mircea_popescu: (also, for
the completeness of lulz :
the stupidistani name for ~meaningful~ choice is "nobrainer", aiming
to imply
that
the only proper use of
the cattle brain is
the contemplation of meaningless choices.)
phf: different people and i
think i'm confusing names
mircea_popescu: phf was
this some guy briefly here ? or different people ?
phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on
the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile..
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what can i
tell you, 152 centimeters are a lot of centimeters for
this part of
the world.
mircea_popescu: anyway. but
the discussion does make it plain and obvious why "nonviolence", ie attemptingto limit whippings, is such an automatic companion
to "freedom of meaningless choice" as
to establish what
to
the cattle means "human rights".
mircea_popescu: can't say i've encountered
that many ; and can say
that from actual lived experience,
the "thinks he's jeddi" heuristic is a fine indicator for "head so far up ass
the net result of sufficient whipping will be soap", ie
http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ ☟︎ mircea_popescu: heck, why not, if
there can exist (as in principle can) individuals who need any arbitrary amount of whipping,
there's no reason
to elide
the extreme case. maybe somewhere somehow
there exists
this jeddi
that actually needs 0, is a natural.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the in-character which is
to say fictitious name for "the stupid beast presents
them partially
to avoid phase
transitions" is
that much-celebrated (in stupidistan) "freedom of choice", ie
the batshit insane notion
that
the unknowing may be involved in decisions as of what
to do with
themselves.
mircea_popescu: trinque i have no clear view of what he's doing, so i can't measure, so i wouldn't even call it
that.