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mircea_popescu: s 60%
the length ; but
this is not
the be-all end all of intellectual accessibility.
mircea_popescu: a car-plane is not more compact
than a set of car, plane ; nor is it "more intellectually accessible". it's
true
the manual
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938084 << imo
this sounds like a good idea in
theory, but is not a good idea in practice.
the reason for
the difference is
that
the links as we use
them now are ~fixed length~ AND ~fixed format~, something
the quotes can never be.
they are BETTEr like
this
than like
that because
the fix-* is
the more important attirbute in
thsi context.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 22:43:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, if yer going full
throttle w/ selectables ,
the Right
Thing imho would be
to
take it all
the way and make items like
this actually display (if reasonably compact.. config knob?)
the linked
text. a la old man
ted nelson's 'transclusions' concept .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 22:38:25 asciilifeform:
the other
thing,
the
adhoc traditional line select is human-friendly, very fast
to grab a line url, whereas mircea_popescu-style selector less so, gotta find unique start/end
text, when citing from
trilema it usually
takes asciilifeform 2-3 shots
to nail down
the correct snip
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 22:34:53 billymg: just found it now and read it over, did not know mp-wp
trackbacks were broken in
this way
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 22:26:36 asciilifeform: in related grrs, asciilifeform recently attempted backport of mircea_popescu's selector knob
to own wp, but broke
teeth cuz it dun know how
to cross paragraphs, and i have '9000' multi-para selections, esp. in ffa series where coad
mircea_popescu: alternative schemes may be devised, but it's not a simple "let's just mechasmush everythin
together" sorta level of consideration.
mircea_popescu: which is why generally when rendering log i
tend
to preserve nametags per line and
the original lines (though not always) and instead insert extra line breaks now and again
to paragraph it up.
mircea_popescu: unlike "poetry" ie
the socialist shit, where "things look a certain way" with 'verses" (and i'm stuck ha;lf
the
time dropping it altogether, because it's better absent
than fucked), our prosody is actually interesting.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 22:23:37 asciilifeform: ( and: if yer not indexing by line , why not actually merge
the
text when speaker is contiguous ? )
diana_coman: spyked: indeed it does; basically
the browser-display is
the broken part
mircea_popescu: will need moar beard for crossing
the 500 line
threshold.
diana_coman: (and
them mircea_popescu will write a mandatory-reading
thread of more
than 500 lines and my log-selection via log-raw will fail).
diana_coman: this
thread will be mandatory reading for #o residents
mircea_popescu: no,
tis outta respect. i will
take
the
time
to
type something out, an old poem, whatever, for similar reasons : some
things are worth it. and
they get worth it
through occasionally, ever so occasionally, doing you
that rare and radiant wonder of a favour, where "it
turns out" aka you finally deign
to fucking notice you were doing something stupid.
mircea_popescu: in fact,
the reason i
take
the
time
to explain how various shits work, unpopular as
they may be, is because i put
the
time in
to actually understand how
they do in fact work ; and i did
that not because i was bored, or because i was desperate
to find something
to pour some of
this
time into, i have like a well of
time at home and it's overflowing so you gotta put some in all availavble receptacles or else it floods
the hou
mircea_popescu: ~the dichotomy is creative~. we don't have many (in
the sense of : not any) alternative leverage points available. gotta use what's
there.
mircea_popescu: yet strangely mp doesn't mind nearly as much as
the bottom centile of
the "red pill" crowd. how
the fuck ?! is it because he's a jew
that he doesn't suspect jews are in charge ? what
the fuck's going on here ?!
mircea_popescu: yet mp is also
the ~least~ angry at "the system". how
the fuck could
this be ? is mp insane ? if everyone's so fucking pissed off over epsilon, "they gave us 9000
things but we're missing like...
three. burn it all down", what
the fuck's mp supposed
to say, he has
to have his fucking food flown in / slave made, and clothes flown in across
the world and everything else.
mircea_popescu: erryone's happy with a girl
to worship at home, just put her into
this one shrineroom and worship
there now and again ; mp apparently needs multiple (what! how!) and ~somehow even manages
this~, for years, decades, it's not a wish-perceived fantasy, he lives like
this ?!
mircea_popescu: and it can not even be explained JUST HOW!!! creative
that
thing
that's creative actually is. let's look at one example : mp is, as a factual matter,
the one who needs most
things not put in. mp apparently needs
to walk his bitches on a leash downtown, which romania doesn't even have words for, every newspaper in
the country must drop whatever it was doing, selling cheap chinesiums,
to
talk about mp's weird needs now, and
mircea_popescu: it could be, of fucking course,
there's no denying
that. but
there's another step in
there, and not
to be skipped over.
mircea_popescu: in fact, all it really
takes is
this conviction
that a problem once perceived's
thereby an'
therefore also a problem
that needs solving. NOT SO.
mircea_popescu: and participation ~doesn't
take all
that much~.
that's why it exists, after all, because it's easy, because it is in fact even easier
than
the
very little use
them powerful old men behaving badly might put a dumb wench
towards.
mircea_popescu: the subjective paralysis is actually
the problem. participating in
the
tavern wench chorus as
to how bad your owner is prevents you from fucking
thinking, or growing
the fuck up (the
two being related).
mircea_popescu: this isn't actually
the problem
though ; as well documented on
trilema,
the effect on powerful old men an'
their behaviour of
the
tavern wench consensus is still
the nil it's ever been.
mircea_popescu: if one just goes by
the persuasion
tradewinds,
this lever's permanently stuck
to position one ; and ridiculous nonsense flows downstream, superficially visible as "
old men in power have been behaving badly" or w/e currently fashionable cri de guerre of
the retard camp.
mircea_popescu: the dichotomy between
the subjective life of
the subject and
the demands of
the outside structure ~is creative~.
this is specifically
the mechanism
through which it is creative : "i wonder why it is i want something
that
these idiots didn't put in". one possible outcome of a correct such evaluation is, indeed, "jesus fuck
they're idiots". however, ANOTHER possible outcome is
the ~EXTREMELY~ valuble bootstrap out of d-k rec
mircea_popescu: the persuasive universe is actually very much like a fungal infection of
the mind : it grows nicely, i'm sure, but in so doing it misuses a fundamental other
thing,
that actually has a function independent of ever-growing fungal blather.
mircea_popescu: "i
thought
this was uncontroversial" "yes,
that's how it usually goes."
mircea_popescu: w far
that gets you and bother whoever cares about it.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly no need
to "stop rape", for instance. "being special" (defined as, "never being raped") is not some kind of "universal right of womanhood". no woman's born entitled
to be special, she's born
to be used, like any other blade of grass on
this here GREEN earth.
that specialdom may arise, as a mist, RETROSPECTIVELY, is one
thing. but
the problem needs no "solving" -- you don't wanna
take
the cock, don't. see ho
mircea_popescu: the only available support for such bootstrap is
this kind of indicia, "why are my self-perceived needs conflict with my betters' designs". it could,
surely, be
the case
they're fucked in
the head. i'm sure
they often are.
mircea_popescu: god put ~exactly no clues~ permitting one
to bootstrap out of
the ~necessary~
d-k recursion. god put no such clues in ~deliberately~, and god also made it necessary in
the first place. because god's an asshole.
mircea_popescu: maybe what you're
trying
to select isn't something you should be selecting as part of what you're
trying
to do because what you;re
trying
to do is actually broken upstream. ODDS ARE.
mircea_popescu: ie, if "selection doesn't work for me" "why not ?" "because what i want
to select recurs", give some
thought whether indeed "selection is broken and should be fixed". WHY do you want
to select something
THAT RECURS, and recurs so much it actually doesn't allow you
to extend
the context slightly, one character at a
time, resolving your problem ?
mircea_popescu: you can't need
to point specifically
to my name generally.
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938058 <<
this is an insane problem
to solve. if all you're
trying
to delineate is "mircea popescu",
then how about linking
to
the whole page ; otherwise, it was ~something
the man said~, which gives rise
to both
the need
to point
to it specifically, and
to
the method of doing just
that.
mircea_popescu: this has easily been
the weirdest wtf... uncleaned coffee mugs invaded by ergot or what
the hell's going on here
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:37:34 asciilifeform: imho a logger
that can't resync at all, aint much of a logger. but at
the same
time i dun see why a generate-statics logger couldn't be made
to resync. simply a bit moar complicated.
mircea_popescu: and why
the fuck flatfile intermediary anywya, what is
this, medieval clockwork ?! what's it needed for ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:21:24 lobbes: indeed. Would just be a buncha "update" statements
that fill in
the proper lines. As it currently is designed, I have it spitting lines into a flat file first, and
that file is used
to update
the "current day's log" post as new lines are seen
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:17:27 asciilifeform: lobbes: as i understand, with
that
type of logger you'd have
to regen all of
the pages
that include or follow
the gap, in order
to close a filled gap.
lobbes: I must digest
these
threads some more, methinks (though I
thank asciilifeform for
the edification). I'll bbl; sleep
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-26 03:46:04 asciilifeform: imho a pregen-page logger must split on something ~other~
than calendarism.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-02-09 12:53:33 asciilifeform: incidentally --
there is more
to
this crapolade
than meets
the naked eye. regexp is a fundamentally braindamaged concept -- not only in
the way described by naggum (how do you infer false positives?) but also in
the haskellian idiocy where 'reasonable' and 'thermonuclear self-annihilation' programs look nearly identical, and distinguishing
them is np-hard
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 00:07:47 asciilifeform:
the browser
is unable to send
to '#1938120'
to
the box.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-26 00:54:16 mircea_popescu: whereas on
trilema you have
the whole power of
the mp-wp selectylanguage at your disposals, you don't need
the line numbers because you can just select w/e actually interests you
lobbes: Now,
to
revisit upstack, if you are intending
to *sync* one mp-wp logger with another mp-wp logger,
then I guess you'd run into
the same issue as
the
trad. loggers. I.e. In order
to sync you *would* need
to index.
lobbes: re:
two or more mp-wp loggers agreeing with each other; I'm not sure
they would ever need
to agree with each other in
terms of links... IF not indexing. In other words, each instance of a mp-wp logger and its output becomes indistinguishable from any other blog post on said blog. (in other words, if you don't care
to sync, or don't care if "missing" lines,
then not an issue)
lobbes: I definitely see issue with
traditional logger, but..
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 00:05:26 lobbes: but I see
the issue re:
the
traditional loggers agreeing with each other
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 23:49:40 lobbes: but I see
the issue re:
the
traditional loggers agreeing with each other
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 00:05:26 lobbes: but I see
the issue re:
the
traditional loggers agreeing with each other