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mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with permitting the enemy to get involved with the state.
BingoBoingo: The 2008 one apparently ended up thus far costing 8 times what they projected back in 2008
BingoBoingo: Here's there a lot of noise now about reforming the 2008 retirement reform that was itself a "reform" of the 1995 reform.
mircea_popescu: basically the place's been economically in the equivalent of "having just lost a major war" since 1880
BingoBoingo: At this rate they'll be getting a "Peso Solidario" in the near future.
mircea_popescu: The peso ley 18.188 replaced the peso moneda nacional at a rate of 100 to 1 and was itself replaced by the peso argentino at a rate of 10,000 to 1 (the thing the austral replaced)
mircea_popescu: before that there was also a "peso ley 18.188", replacing a "peso moneda nacional" und so weiter
BingoBoingo: The USG "World Bank" of all folks *encouraged* Argentina to embrace the convertability trap
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-15#1956896 << here's some lulz : in 11985, the "austral argentino" replaced the peso argentino at a rate of 1 austral = 1000 pesos argentinos. in 1992, the "peso convertible" replaced the austral argentino, at a rate of 1 peso convertible = 10,000 australes. therefore, between the pre 1985 peso and the post 1992 peso there's a relationship of 1:10^7
dorion: re overwhelming, to my eye the best thing you can do atm is make the work as public as possible so the people who want to help you can.
dorion: ave1 I hope those above lines didn't make it seem ~more~ overwhleming, but the bottom line I'd like to get across is yeah, there's a mountain of work and while it's all achievable it has to be sustainable. let's work with urguncy, but not haste and make sure our early decisions are properly weighed.
dorion: re 4.9.4 diana_coman noted GNAT and Eulora have been built/tested with it and it's unknown at present how earlier versions will fair on that front.
dorion: trinque further notes that apparently 4.7.4 can be built with tcc
dorion: the summary there is 4.4.7 is what mp mainly uses and 4.7.4 is what Gales Linux uses. 4.7.4 is the last gcc version to not require any c++ to bootstrap.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 16:55:49 dorion_road: ave1 the latest on the gcc discussion is 4.4.7, 4.7.4 and 4.9.4 are up for consideration.
dorion: ave1 re gcc being overwhelming, why don't you take a step back from it for a bit and we work out a highlevel strategy first. for one, we're not even sure we want 4.9.4. did you see this ping ?
dorion: ave1 thanks for fixing the comment and likewise on the pushing/asking. way easier to deal with than silence :)
diana_coman: that it does at times, certainly.
dorion: mircea_popescu np on the tags.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 13:32:53 diana_coman: aww, dorion , that was my fun with it, don't take it all that seriously.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957474 - I didn't think I was pushing too hard, given his words. and thanks, I'm up for fun, but sometimes find being serious yields the most fun :)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 13:32:08 mircea_popescu: dorion, you didn't do nuttin, it's his crowns an' thorns.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957473 - I admit I'll love he who takes up that cross.
ave1: as for the genesis, I have the first steps, but are a bit overwhelmed with the thing.
ave1: also, don't worry about pushing / asking. I've no problem with that
ave1: dorion, I updated the comment
mircea_popescu: dorion, o damn, you're rifht, i fucked the tags myself. sorry.
diana_coman: aww, dorion , that was my fun with it, don't take it all that seriously.
mircea_popescu: dorion, you didn't do nuttin, it's his crowns an' thorns.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:40:02 ave1: As to ownership, I can own gcc 4.9 and would like to work with trinque et. al. on this. The problem here is limited time, so my primary input can be information/communication at this point.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 09:18:54 diana_coman: hopefully it's not *that prospect* that keeps ave1 from resurfacing in the first place!
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957420 - I sure hope not. ave1, if so please say ! I was mainly proceeding on previous talks of ownership and genesis in progress.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 01:23:15 ave1: dorion, I got the pingpack and the comment went into spam, retrieved...
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957374 - thank you. looks like I forgot the closing </a> tag on the link prior to the blockquote. do you mind fixing it ?
mircea_popescu: he's got all the shit from the school bully he's gonna take, for chrissakes! therefore he'll deal with policemen, officious intermeddlers, people in suits and all the rest. anything but some pimply faced, overweight sixteen year old, he's been stuck with him for almost fourteen months and he knows well by now NOTHING COULD BE WORSE!!!
mircea_popescu: he couldn't learn a hundred lines of trivially repetitive multiplication table, but he'll manage subway and bus schedules.
mircea_popescu: this situation reccurs in the history of the young human male's tribulations on earth, whereby he runs away from school because the well familiar small difficulties are TOO MUCH TO BEAR, and "nobody really knows" whether the much larger difficulties are even large or difficulties or anything, so "let's find out"
ossabot: (eulora) 2020-01-27 mircea_popescu: ie, the kid who runs away from rural highschool to make it in town because he knows how hard multiplication or basic func analysis is, but doesn't know how hard making it in town is.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me discussion in #eulora is very relevant to the problem of bois, ie sexually and socially infantile but biologically overgrown males trying to "develop software"
billymg: mircea_popescu: sorry for that, i didn't mean to be so dramatic with the "fine, i'll just work by myself then" -- i think i'm still working out the balance between check in with a question vs. implement and seek feedback. though on review it seems in this case it was more a matter of the clarity/information density of the question/communication
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ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 10:54:52 billymg: i will go ahead and remove the notion of options from the footnotes plugin and publish the patch for review. going forward i will make more of these calls on my own and let the published draft patches speak for themselves
mircea_popescu: in any case http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957437 is, however subjectively justified, nevertheless only a path to polarbeard sadness, it dun work out well.
mircea_popescu: whatever, let them be together, not the end of the world.
billymg: though it really wouldn't be any trouble to move those into single variable constants
mircea_popescu: and the way this is then easiest handled (at least in part for legacy reasons) is as an "object" which gets preloaded, options.hurr = "durr" and so on ?
billymg: the latter was my thinking. even for experienced operator having the magic strings together at the top of the file might be useful / make the code easier to reason with
mircea_popescu: in the (ideally few) cases this is not feasible, people tend to mark their comms as such.
billymg: understood. i think i'm also adapting to the async nature of IRC (you may not hear a response for a few hours, possibly days, so your communication should be clear enough to not require short-loop back-and-forth)
mircea_popescu: in any case, why do you want to maintain the "options" object ? too much hassle to take out entirely ? more elegant to have all the magic strings in one place ?
mircea_popescu: so keep on talking about what you do an' use the experience to talk ever more clearly.
billymg: ah i see how that could read as "add new 'options' 'feature'". in my head i meant it as move from current: default_options -> db -> current_options -> code, to: options -> code
mircea_popescu: now this dun read to you as a proposal to revert ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 18:06:46 billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:59:07 billymg: mircea_popescu: to elaborate: the original version of the footnotes plugin also includes an options.php page for saving db-stored settings. the version that http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs[ships with mp-wp] does not include this
mircea_popescu: there's notwring wrong with discussing the things, on the contrary. but let's read together what you said :
billymg: i will go ahead and remove the notion of options from the footnotes plugin and publish the patch for review. going forward i will make more of these calls on my own and let the published draft patches speak for themselves
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:58:29 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957369 << a png has the disadvantage that i can't tell, for instance, what's a link or how the url looks.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957405 << i meant it only as a brief status update, though i should not have included the png without additional context (the line numbers are clickable and the URL anchors are to your spec, e.g. #S2-L10)
billymg: i only thought it necessary to check first in case this code was left around intentionally for some reason i wasn't grasping
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:56:47 mircea_popescu: footnotes plugin original, one, only, etcetera, is the one on mp-wp. what other garbage idiots did is garbage idiots did.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957403 << and this is the one, in mp-wp, that currently includes code that actively writes options to db. i was proposing to remove any remnants of this completely and only leave what would essentially be some constants at the top of the file (though it sounds like even predefining some of these values at the top of the file is unnecessary and can be removed as well
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:55:58 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957366 << how about your preference immediately becomes working on mp-wp as opposed to falsely claiming to be working on mp-wp while in fact trying to stick random unrelated garbage in there under this guise, because at the rate you're currently going im just about ready to set the bozo bit on whatever it is you do altogether.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957400 << i was proposing removal of unnecessary code currently existing in mp-wp, not the addition of any. you can see from my patch history and communications in the logs that the removal of all cruft in mp-wp is what i'm working towards
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:36:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957358 << honestly, no. i think the "option" to "pick the special chars" was useful at the onset, when i was figuring out how the world should work, but double-parens is so well established by now, even etymologically! ("every time you go on a tanget, you have to decide -- is your paranthetical is simple or double?") that it needn't be misrepresented as an optio
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957382 << this was my feeling as well. i thought i'd check before proceeding to remove the code in case my judgement was incorrect. i will go ahead and remove it
mircea_popescu: 'sthematter mocky, do the girls let you off your baluba island cage half wour every other week ?
mircea_popescu: wth is that guy's problem anyway, keeps doing these drowning man bobbles
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-11 15:52:34 Mocky: getting it back up this weekend
diana_coman: speaking of resurfacing, mocky.org is still down for me; Mocky, am I trying the wrong url/ip?
diana_coman: hopefully it's not *that prospect* that keeps ave1 from resurfacing in the first place!
mircea_popescu: i expect gcc will be the last owned portion, simply because of what horror it is.
mircea_popescu: reading which, i daresay to dorion that "No one yet owns GCC, primarily because I've been waiting to see if ave1 will resurface" is pretty lulzy a cocnept.
mircea_popescu: also, nice that you've answered those two guys, but there's some waiting on the previous one as well : http://trinque.org/2019/12/28/a-republican-os-part-1/#comments
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 04:13:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951637 - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).
diana_coman: sadly lobbes's hoster there turned out to have been quite as idiotic as they seemed in the first place
mircea_popescu: how's about recent comments in sidebar and title slug in archives, no content, so they can be useful for their intended purposes ?
mircea_popescu: trinque, your blog is such a pain to navigate, dear god. so i want to see your previous article. well... there's no recent articles on the sidebar so i can't just ~see the title~ therefore eschew the need to click things. but let's see the archives... oh oops... this month's archive is entirely identical to you know, your latest article, for the first mile.
mircea_popescu: let the servants work for a living, what the fuck is this.
mircea_popescu: i walk out of shops / restaurants / whatever ALL the god damn time, for the simplest of reasons, such as "took more than thirty seconds to come for orders".
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you so dedicated anyway ? wrong place, ditch the heathens at the FIRST sign of trouble.
mircea_popescu: http://www.krankendenken.com/2020/01/mp-wp-bot-my-current-problem-and-possible-solutions/ << just ditch the shithole host you ran into.
mircea_popescu: smart kidds gotta waste away, don't they, it's the imperative of the moment.
mircea_popescu: in other sighs, /me excitedly checked who the fuck that ИМ ave1 resqued from the spam que might be, went over to "knowen.org", turns out it's yet another dumbass pointless pantsuit platform-wannabe, "protected by recaptcha" to crown the shit in turds.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 20:03:18 billymg: anyway i have something simple working, only took a few hours http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp-embedded-vpatch-snippets.png
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957369 << a png has the disadvantage that i can't tell, for instance, what's a link or how the url looks.
mircea_popescu: could be interesting for a lol. if you're using it for your basis you're way the fuck outta here.
mircea_popescu: footnotes plugin original, one, only, etcetera, is the one on mp-wp. what other garbage idiots did is garbage idiots did.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this nonsense, "the original" ? what fucking original ? the world starts here, not some other place.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 18:06:46 billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957366 << how about your preference immediately becomes working on mp-wp as opposed to falsely claiming to be working on mp-wp while in fact trying to stick random unrelated garbage in there under this guise, because at the rate you're currently going im just about ready to set the bozo bit on whatever it is you do altogether.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:59:07 billymg: mircea_popescu: to elaborate: the original version of the footnotes plugin also includes an options.php page for saving db-stored settings. the version that http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs[ships with mp-wp] does not include this
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957363 << i don't understand why you think we care about this. what is this, regress all the things day or something ?
mircea_popescu: (but to answer trinque 's original comment : stolen cookies atm not useful on mp-wp because only specified ips can wp-admin anyway)
mircea_popescu: as things stand now, 1 exists (though the hash could stand improvement) but 2 doesn't and 3 is sorta-implemented.
mircea_popescu: steall all the cookies you want ; and mp-wp can even dispose with the htaccess ip lockdown mechanism currently in place.
mircea_popescu: 3. users logging in get the cookie passed and a new record in sessions on the basis of the pw thei provided hash-matching the one in users ; logged in users get recognized on the basis of ip, user agent and session cookie identity (all three).
mircea_popescu: 2. there should be a sessions table, where logged in users time of log-in, ip, user-agent, session cookie are stored. sessions older than 24h should be deleted server-side. the session cookie should be a hash of at least the ip, the user agent and server date-microtime.