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ascii_field: danielpbarron: the vibe i got was 'why won't they lick my boots, whatddayamean it isn't 1890 and i'm not a brit'
danielpbarron: i get what he meant
ascii_field: i still don't get it
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: keep nubbins`occupied while i'm gone, wouldja ?
Pierre_Rochard: well I saw crapple mentioned was coincidentally reading up on their developer chumpatronics: http://www.elischiff.com/blog/2015/3/24/fear-of-apple
pete_dushenski: looks like you're coming just as i'm going..
nubbins`: i'm not sure i'll be able to find a photograph that accurately captures what a bizarre juxtaposition this is, in the meantime
nubbins`: actually, touts aside, i'd go again for the food
pete_dushenski: ^the wisdom of the crowds, i guess
nubbins`: i went to marrakesh for a week
pete_dushenski: i should say, i had the 2-3 weeks, but chose to spread it out over two trips instead of 1
pete_dushenski: lol funny you should mention marrakesh, i was actually going to go to morocco instead of jamaica but didn't have the 2-3 weeks needed to make the haul worthwhile
nubbins`: i recommend you keep doing it for the forseeable future :D
pete_dushenski: memorable experience. hell, i'd do it again.
pete_dushenski: given the mini-bus trip i took from the north of the island to the south, with 8 rows of people jammed, and i do mean jammed with mothers and children, 5 across
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof << i guess jamaicans have a higher tolerance for discomfort than i do
pete_dushenski: i don't mind westjet, their staff are quite well trained
pete_dushenski: i guess cutting costs from air travel has consequences. who knew you can't race to the bottom indefinitely.
pete_dushenski: they're not me and i'm not them, so ya, if we say words that sounds superficially similar, they have different contexts, thus different implications
nubbins`: "i'm non-black, after all, and i can afford to come here. what more must i do?!"
nubbins`: "how dare they not realize i deserve red carpets and back rubs"
pete_dushenski: to which i humbly proposed, above, immigration of workerbees.
pete_dushenski: and i saw a fuckton of quantity and very little, but admittedly non-zero, amounts of quality
pete_dushenski: the point i'm making is that quality is more valuable than quantity
pete_dushenski: these are cities i'm talking about. namely, ocho rios and kingston
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: hm. i can see it
pete_dushenski: they all want to talk to the white kid with hair like them. i was the most popular thing on the street
pete_dushenski: i don't see that harassment, jostling, or whatever you want to call it is effective
nubbins`: i'm saying it's worth their time to try to get $$ out of tourists, but it's not worth their time to chase dead ends
pete_dushenski: jamaicans should have a museum dedicated to this art, i say.
thestringpuller: i'm an expert time waster, and wasting time is an art pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: they'd walk up to me and want to show me this and that, start following me wherever i was going, trying to nudge me here and there
pete_dushenski: or maybe it's more quality of time, not quantity i'm looking for
nubbins`: i'd say 5% of the time, or less, "more effort" results in "reward"
pete_dushenski: maybe they put in a bit more effort, because sure, i have standards, and maybe they get rewarded for it
pete_dushenski: mats seems to be pushing his dual_ec point a bit. i'm... skeptical.
nubbins`: <+mats> well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh. <<< no, that's not what we're saying
mats: well shit. i guess we're all back to handcrafting our own crypto then huh.
mike_c: what? i thought it was common knowledge rsa sold their soul.
nubbins`: and i'm saying that whether NIST is complicit or incompetent doesn't matter
mats: and re: BSafe, i'm not convinced RSA could be sold on destroying their reputation for packing peanuts.
nubbins`: i.e. that all other NIST standards are cast under shadow
nubbins`: jurov i already phrased it that way :D
mats: the claim i'm most concerned about is that the weakness was engineered by NSA, and that, by having approved it, NIST was complicit, thus casting doubt on all other NIST standards
mats: what i'm saying is that, as the evidence stands, i'm unable to take a firmer position on Dual_EC than the previously accepted consensus that the weakness being a backdoor is quite unlikely, and that Dual_EC should be shunned only because of the abundance of caution with regard to any issues that is endemic to the crypto field
nubbins`: i've asked him SEVEN FUCKING TIMES
asciilifeform: i'll emphasize that it isn't a 'won't work in the cold' so much as 'entropy relying on sram effects degrades ungracefully'
nubbins`: i'm at the 49th parallel, and i wouldn't be able to use one of these things outdoors in the winter.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: when i told him about sram behaviour below 0c
nubbins`: in fact, i do not!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/6OsxazV.jpg << the bozo actually pasted that into #b-a if you recall
nubbins`: some of you may find this interesting, i found some pics from when i rebuilt my coffee roaster: http://imgur.com/WrXz3WY,CbtEo0O,uojejnr,A8KKjzG,yTGzvNA,Te8ddW5
Adlai: so nothing, just sharing an effect i wasn't familiar with before
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 23:29:17; jurov: lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function
ben_vulpes: i've lost track of how many times i've done it.
nubbins`: i blame the guy's teachers and parents
mike_c: i blame whaleclub
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/6OsxazV.jpg
asciilifeform: and that whatever else we conclude, the fella who wrote hearbleed doesn't get to say 'oops. i promise i won't do it again. now let me write some more critical code'
asciilifeform: but in all seriousness, i was not arguing that 'the evidence exists somewhere damnit' (though i belive it)
mats: i guess you'll have to torture the interrogator.
asciilifeform: and then i will question the loyalty and competence of the torturer.
asciilifeform: when ever man and woman who ever worked at nsa dies under torture and doesn't say anything about dual_ec - then i might believe 'mistake'
nubbins`: i have reams of this material
mats: but i don't see that this is the case here.
nubbins`: let me find a relevant quote from a recent communique i received
asciilifeform: mats: i did not know this.
asciilifeform: one has to work against one's upbringing, typically, to arrive at the message i was trying to pass here.
asciilifeform: yes, some crypto designers make mistake, they are good people, sure, whatever. i will borrow from slavoj žižek and say then 'we put them to a good wall, shoot them with a good bullet from a good gun, and bury them in with a good shove in the good earth' - since sure, they are good people.
fluffypony: I think it's very hard to tell the difference between mistake and malice.
asciilifeform: this is a fairly outlandish thing on the surface, and i will justify it with something like 'pascal's wager'
asciilifeform: mats: at the risk of repeating myself, i will phrase my position as a kind of maxim: 'it is necessary to behave as if hearbleed and dual_ec were crafted vulns, regardless of any apparent evidence to the contrary'
mats: look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains
nubbins`: i think the overwhelming amount of justification triggers a "this CAN'T be true" response in a lot of people
asciilifeform: enough for anyone, i'd think, at this point
asciilifeform: nearly everything i and fellow paranoiac crackpots have ever spoken about crypto has proven to be abundantly justified.
nubbins`: mats i understand your viewpoint but plz to understand that paranoia has proved to be justified time and again
asciilifeform: i am quite able to discuss the mathematics
mats: i hate discussing these things with you people
asciilifeform: because 'i accidentally the bug' can never be proven
asciilifeform: mats: let me rephrase. i advocate that it is -wrong- to treat any case like dual_ec as anything other than sabotage
mats: i'm not convinced dual_ec_drbg is rigged
nubbins`: i think they'd be remiss if they weren't working on both.
asciilifeform: the former i think
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/ksBVtHB.png
nubbins`: i.e. let's restore your meat to its natural state
asciilifeform: and one or two are removed by the 'rescuers' for proper (i.e. heads-off) justice
nubbins`: i.e. "hundreds escape"?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i am waiting to hear of afghanistan-style jailbreaks in usa
nubbins`: i'm not saying i'll remortgage the house or anything
asciilifeform: (i don't knowingly participate in chumpatrons and hence haven't and won't be buying fiat stocks at 10-20bux/trade)
asciilifeform: and hence i cannot suggest solutions to it
asciilifeform: it isn't a problem that i have
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unlike, apparently, most other beggars, i won't give investment advice.
nubbins`: i sorta feel like getting on the yuan train
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it is being felt. i distinctly recall watching some trashy american adventure film a year or two ago, involving time travel to the future, and the hero had a treasure chest under his floorboards with thick stacks of yuan
asciilifeform: (last i checked, a few yrs ago, the donation button was still there!)
asciilifeform: or how a firm i once worked for, that shall remain nameless, invited the public to contribute spare change to one of its (congressionally-funded!) wunderwaffen projects that will 'help save our boys in iraq'
asciilifeform: reminds me of how when clinton was half-heartedly prosecuting microshit for antitrust violations, some 'think tank' (cato? i forget) had a 'microsoft defense fund' that the public was invited to contribute to !
nubbins`: "My major concern at the time, because I travel to the states every now and then, is there going to be a red flag when they scan my passport? Is something going to show that I'm bringing in endangered whatever?" <<< yes, with 100% certainty.