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snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 23:20:25 asciilifeform:
test of action line
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-09-27 asciilifeform: maxim_mivo: it will have rack ears welded
to it, if
the hoster does not offer shelf
snsabot: asciilifeform:
time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 2m
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 23:20:25 asciilifeform:
test of action line
BingoBoingo: The entire 1960
to 1990 span added ~0
to Montevideo's skyline as seen from roofs in
the city
BingoBoingo strongly suspects Uruguay's construction industry peaked in
the 1920s with Palacio Salvo
BingoBoingo: I have a strong suspicion if
the investigation move
to poking around
the interior of listed structures
the project could have
turned into strictly evaluating for
the lot footprints as
the
tower builders do
mp_en_viaje: i mean, even if someone gave you a free chevy vega -- it still wouldn't make economic sense
to
try and run it
mp_en_viaje: in short : not a single one of
the items
there look
to me like something
that'd be acceptable
to carry on books even if given freely ; if yo uowned
them i'd insist you sell
them.
mp_en_viaje: #6 is again #3, early 1900s, possibly good enough
to stand, but possibly
terribad, will have
to drill a wall
to see wtf is even in
there
mp_en_viaje: i bet you
the doors use
the copper keys we discussed at some point yeaes ago
mp_en_viaje: 3rd item lacks entirely outside shots, which makes me suspect it's in a building
that'd have been bombed in ww2, except it wasn't in active war
theatre.
mp_en_viaje: 2nd item i don't even know what
to make of. seems someone literally poured some concrete, made a sort of post-wood outhouse. i dunno how it is even a house at all.
mp_en_viaje: this isn't euroinsanity.
the item is
too far gone
to be worth repairing, what.
mp_en_viaje: i mean
taking
the list, right ? 1st item is literally a ruin ;
that item has central wall damage from uncontrolled water infiltration. it would be condemned in europe.
BingoBoingo: In my immediate surrounding
they are primarily valued as potential footprints for future residential
towers so long as
that activity continues.
mp_en_viaje: but
the cost
to own / cost
to carry still a factor of 2 over what it coudl/should be with saner autoclaved cellular concrete filler and etcetera. whole poured concrete walls are for you know, river dams and
things, wtf, heating
that, preventing water seepage, it's a bundle.
mp_en_viaje: they're not all
that great capital goods. obviously immensely better
than usgistani paper wasp atrocities, yes.
mp_en_viaje: i confess i am not at all impressed with
the images on
this particular score :
they're all 1970s pure-sovoktech relics. it's directly visible, at least
to
the aculturated eye
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 19:34:55 mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's
the problem :
these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides
the owner's willingness
to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless,
there's ~0 incentive for argentine
to liquidate rather
than starve.
mp_en_viaje: not like
they'll magically learn how
to build ust because
the neighbour's goat died, either.
mp_en_viaje: the salient points : a) half
the prices ; b)
three
times
the area ; c) one fifth or less
the age. i expect ro 2000s construction, for all its warts, is still infinitely better
than ~1970s uy construction
technology
BingoBoingo: The problem of
the Rio de la Plata is
the people hold
the opposite of
the
truth in
the ways in which
they are rich and poor.
BingoBoingo: One nearby property I'd been watching since arrival finally sold after a flurry of listings once
the price hit ~160,000USD. When I arrived it was listed around 200k. It had my attention for being a
two bedroom house on an excellent corner with attached small commercial premises suitable for shingle hanging. Even after selling and becoming inhabited is still painted as a japanese restaurant.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, haggle. but
this is no joke :
to match eg romania,
they'd have
to haggle
to 10%. looksy :
mp_en_viaje: in practical
terms,
that's
the only available option ; real estate never drops suddenly, for deep and fundamental reasons sometimes superficiaslly
touched in
the logs. it's just not possible, like it's not possible
to dream
the unknown
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 17:50:32 asciilifeform:
they all seem
to cost 1-1.5k $ / sq m., aha.
tho BingoBoingo seems
to have found
that
they haggle .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 17:52:50 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, very nice work ; but
this seems untenable on
the face. i mean, even
the san francisco "premium" bezzleworld's been losing 2-3-5% a year, each year, since 2015 or so. and 2s and 3s ealirer, 5s and above
these days, 2019 may well close more like 7%
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 04:37:33 spyked:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938376 <-- hm. I suppose feedbot could do something along
the lines of "talk (via PM) only
to people who are already +v in
the channels where bot is listening"; either way,
there's currently no strict enforcement in place, I'll add something if/when it becomes necessary
mp_en_viaje: it makes a huge difference
this, between being
the 70yo who walks
to
the bar and
the 70yo who can't leave
the house.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 19:17:45 BingoBoingo: Before investigating
transit
times it had probably been a good
three months since I'd been inside a vehicle. Present
tranportation costs consist of food calories above basal metabolic rate and a few cents a day in shoe/boot depreciation.
mp_en_viaje: so i don't expect uruguay market will ever find price. instead,
the "properties" will just decay into
the ground
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-26 19:02:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As of 2013
through a bilateral
treaty
the shelter part of
the arrangement went out. From where I'm sitting it is hard
to
tell which way
the Argentine winds will push
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's
the problem :
these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides
the owner's willingness
to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless,
there's ~0 incentive for argentine
to liquidate rather
than starve.
mp_en_viaje: im sure
they have competitive predators, flies whatever
mp_en_viaje: which is why
the discussion is carried in
terms of choice. rather
than in
terms of "compulsion" or whatever.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, precisely.
the "lacks rng" could very well be entirely artefact of perception.
mp_en_viaje: taken seriously,
the objection becomes suddenly very weak.
mp_en_viaje: this could be like saying "it's weird individual
transistors lack rng"
mp_en_viaje: anyway --
this was very fashionable i nthe 70s. but
there's pretty serious problems with hoefstadter's critique of conceptualized consciousness
mp_en_viaje: can supposedly have it check
the nest until it dies of starvation
mp_en_viaje: but if during 2 you move it,
then it resets at 1
mp_en_viaje: was another
thing, some other preditorial wasp, where it 1. drag
to nest ; 2. inspect nest ; 3. deposit in nest.
mp_en_viaje: and if you cut
those, it doesn't eg, drag by a leg.
mp_en_viaje: well, what i recall is
that it pulls
the cricket (nfi, maybe some others do larvae) by
the antenna
mp_en_viaje: anyway. yes all living
things do a certain amount of "but it must". all livign
things do a certain amiunt of excretion, also.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 21:52:01 mircea_popescu: for
this reason any imanentization (ie, mapping of concepts into reality) will revolve around a "paradigm" / wilful blindness of some kind. "how could i not
think of
that" is always lulzy -- if you
thought of everything your head would explode. and
that's a literalism : if you somehow fit all states of its own emptiness into a glass it'd go boom.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i actually had a spex on
trilema, had a nest fulla spiders
snsabot: Logged on 2016-07-11 11:31:03 asciilifeform: in ideal picture, 'nobody would dare', as curtis lemay answered when
told
to put out his cigar lest he set off
the fuel depot
mp_en_viaje: "dude, it's not up
to you." "yes it is." "wtf" "the dumb pleb always
triumphs" "where
the fuck did you see
that ?" "on all anon graves"
mp_en_viaje: it's
this : "what i do doesn't work" "do something else
then" "no." "well what ?" "it must."
mp_en_viaje: and it's a most informative and productive line of inquiry.
there's a REASON
the pleb projects choice upon
those, and disavows his patently idiotic applcation of entirely imagined choice, and so on.
mp_en_viaje: point remains :
the hallucination of choice is
the specific distinguisher between
the plebs and
the brigand/kulak/whatever, non-pleb.
mp_en_viaje: not like it in
the end matters, unless/until pugachev shows up demanding a rating.
mp_en_viaje: "he fucking imagiend it on
the basis of his granpa.
thing was dead like 1505." "omfg wut"
mp_en_viaje: "wut" "motherfucker.
the world your granpa lived in didn't in fact exist" "lies"
mp_en_viaje: "how
to make it like before" "fukctards, what you're feeling is
the portuguese getting a
trade empire going FIVE CENTURIES AGO"