asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same way we preserve anything, you gotta figure out what aspects are actually essential to the thing, and which - are really accidents

asciilifeform: rather than the mutilatory lunacy.

asciilifeform: just has to be planted in a sane framework

asciilifeform: who said 'give out'

asciilifeform: it is entirely like whitening.

asciilifeform: and even in the case of sha2 is a waste.

asciilifeform: which, in the case of a wonderful thing like keccak, is entirely no good.

asciilifeform: you are narrowing your set.

asciilifeform: think.

asciilifeform: we end up signing a hash of a human-readable hash

asciilifeform: no good.

asciilifeform: where there are no 'lines'.

asciilifeform: non-7bitclean.

asciilifeform: i wanna sign a tarball. or gif. now what.

asciilifeform: it pointedly does NOT cover the case of signing non-printables.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i distinctly recall suggesting a scheme quite like this.

asciilifeform: does fat lot of good given that just about all software mutilates line endings.

asciilifeform: you necessarily cannot have it without such things.

asciilifeform: that's what clearsign is !

asciilifeform: and the winblowzated newlines.

asciilifeform: and especially so are the - ----- idiocies.

asciilifeform: the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- crud is ~exactly~ a safeword. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the latter can be arbitrary.

asciilifeform: it is a function ~of~ the payload.

asciilifeform: nope./

asciilifeform: crc is a header thing.

asciilifeform: and so is making the unwrapper stateful.

asciilifeform: constraining the contents of the payload is evil.

asciilifeform: which is what i've been arguing for all along.

asciilifeform: payload is a passive thing.

asciilifeform: magic character escape idiocies, a la clearsign, is 'safeword sex.'

asciilifeform: header says 'next 1,001 bytes is payload' and NOBODY ASKS PAYLOAD ANYTHING - is like proper sex.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the in-band thing is not as separable from your point as you think.

asciilifeform: ^ i can't help but wonder how this reads to peanut gallery !

asciilifeform: Mr. Popescu was not an MP then, << l0l

asciilifeform pictures jacob's ladder in series with pogo rack

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: connect directly to street transformer!11

asciilifeform: jurov: 100kV !111

asciilifeform: and say he wants to switch one off ?

asciilifeform: 1 big.

asciilifeform: chinese - only the former

asciilifeform: good dc brick has rectifier + large filter cap

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the other things about 'take rectifier and power 10 - or 20 in eu - in series' is that you get one of the problems of the chinese bricks, but in spades: ripple

asciilifeform: and with same hammer, pound in nail, or skull, aha

asciilifeform: burn, burn.

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: let folks learn by pissing on electric fence, wahtever.

asciilifeform: well i suppose from some angle ~anything~ is educational.

asciilifeform: sorry, series power supply for digital apparatus is dumb.

asciilifeform: this makes sense to anyone ?

asciilifeform: so when $random-ba-visitor proposes doing something idiotic with financitronics, mircea_popescu says 'this is moronic' and this is a-ok, because financitronics is a mircea_popescu-competence. when i say 'this is moronic' and subj is electronics, then i am on crack?

asciilifeform: moar lulz from same rag, http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/nsa-refused-clinton-a-secure-blackberry-like-obama-so-she-used-her-own

asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/03/botched-java-patch-leaves-millions-vulnerable-to-30-month-old-attack

asciilifeform: in other lulz,

asciilifeform: incidentally, physical quality of books in the english world peaked some time in 50s.

asciilifeform: things we may well come back to, If This Goes On

asciilifeform: items like, e.g., delay line storage, crt memory, etc. also.

asciilifeform: )

asciilifeform: (e.g., description of how magnetic recording actually happens, the material aspects of the media, etc0

asciilifeform: and contain actual technical material, not only maths, not found elsewhere

asciilifeform: i have whole shelf of 1950s b00kz in 'computing' section of my library. they are spiffy & useful.

asciilifeform: ^^^

asciilifeform: and, these folks have been adrift since the kgb financing dried up.

asciilifeform: i thought this was obvious ?

asciilifeform: who do i call if i end up in 1790 ?

asciilifeform: it sucked.

asciilifeform: in 1890s

asciilifeform: street lights used to be powered this way.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i think isis stole your idea

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: exciting

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when you invite folks for target practice, which piece do you let them fire ? the luger, penny a round, or the rare borschardt 1890 where each round has to be bought from museum ?

asciilifeform: (quite nontrivial)

asciilifeform: if yer gonna burn pogos, why not usefully, see how much overclock the thing can take, or see if you can upgrade the ram

asciilifeform: wawat

asciilifeform: what's easier than soldering a plug into a pre-prepped landing pad ?

asciilifeform: *reattach

asciilifeform: e.g., reattache the missing sata plugs to the cheapo pogo version

asciilifeform: why not ~usefully~ fuck

asciilifeform: srsly

asciilifeform: thing eats REGULATED 12v

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why the FUCK to do this?!111 good way to nuke a dozen or two nonrenewable resource pogotrons

asciilifeform: so wtf

asciilifeform: and it isn't as if these don't come with a civilized 12v regulated brick.

asciilifeform: so this is retarded.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then whole thing stops

asciilifeform: even in analogue world, this is no longer a thing.

asciilifeform: sorry, this is nutso.

asciilifeform: and if one opencircuits ?

asciilifeform: not overvoltage.

asciilifeform: fuse is for overcurrent.

asciilifeform: fuse dun work this way.

asciilifeform: so whole lot can die cascade death when one shorts ?!!

asciilifeform: series?!11111

asciilifeform: or if you actually put load on it

asciilifeform: when i tried the arch, systemd would hose the box ~weekly

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: 'don't eat from dumpsters' (tm) (r) (mp)

asciilifeform: no need to move.